AAForum Talk Log 12-18-01

Password: sober

Firstname: Jo H.
Location: NW Wisconsin
Date: 10/14/01
Time: 7:43:52 PM

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Hello all, I've read through what's posted here so far and really like what I see. Tommy T said I would; he recommended your site to me. I have a great deal of respect for that guy (yes you, Tom) and figure if he says you're ok you likely are. Let me tell you a little about myself. I am 45 years old, live in a medium sized city with my 11 year old son and a good-for-nothing-but-shedding-and-loving dog. I came to AA on 2-24-1982, after drinking for only 7-1/2 years I was at a suicidal, miserable, lonely hellacious bottom. The disease progressed quickly in me, and by the early age of 25-1/2 I was chronic - DTs, hallucinations, shakes, blackouts, paranoia, invisible things coming in through the keyholes and trying to invade my body - all of those symptoms were mine. My first year of sobriety was the hardest year of my life... tho I quit drinking, I changed little else, including living with a drinker who spiked the OJ at breakfast (he missed his drinking buddy). I did sneak to AA meetings now and then, and let me tell you right away I knew I had found a home. It was, for me, not all "sweetness and light and doves flying from steeples" like I imagine some people describing their awakenings... for me it was more like Quasimoto coming up to the bell tower, hunchbacked and dragging his lame leg, shouting "SANCTUARY!" Of course, I didn't shout - I was scared to death you guys would find out how screwed up I was and tell me I was way too bad for AA... can you IMAGINE! I was afraid I'd be kicked out of AA!

Anyway, there is the beginning of how I found AA. Through a series of miracles (known as one day at a time) I got beyond merely putting the plug in the jug and started working ALL the steps, IN ORDER, with a SPONSOR. I got into service work, was a GSR and DCM for several years, and got tired of some of the game playing (not just personalities before principles... I found a profound LACK of principle in some of those personalities!) sooooo now I find I best serve AA by working with others and stacking chairs. I am even known to pick up <yuck> cigarette butts.

I have a feeling I will be back, I look forward to getting to know you all.

Recognize your blessings - my best, Jo

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/14/01
Time: 8:22:01 PM

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Hi Family,

Hi Jo and welcome. Any friend of Tommy's is a friend of ours. I really appreciate your sharing about coming into AA. I think you will agree with Tommy that there are a bunch of great people here on this forum. I came here a little over a year ago and love it. Keep coming back and sharing. Jump in with both feet and let us get to know you, while getting to know us. I do agree with ya that Tommy is a hell of a guy, that's fer sure.

Love to all!!

And thank you all for the birthday wishes. It was a great day. Spent it with family and friends. Who could ask for more.

Firstname: Deni
Location: Romeoville, IL
Date: 10/15/01
Time: 12:08:32 AM

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Hi everyone. Deni here. Great to see your post Josh. Hang in there, we're pulling for you. Listen to what Paul said about possibly finding another dr. Someone who is more familiar with addictions might be a better option.

Bob, how on earth did you hurt your back? You really need to slow down and take it easy!!!

Steve, I'm glad to hear you had a good birthday. I wish you lived closer too. I just can't seem to get all the water out of the carpet. At least it doesn't slosh like it did yesterday, so we're making progress.

Jo, welcome to the family. I'm looking forward to getting to know you.

It rained on and off today. We even got some hail. Luckily it was small so no real damage there. The sump pump is still working, so there's a blessing. Like Jo said, "recognize your blessings". Thanks Jo. Well, I still gotta finish my lesson plan!

Take care and God bless!

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 10/15/01
Time: 5:41:17 AM

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Welcome aboard Jo you sound like the type of guy Tommy should spend a lot of time with as he sure spends lots of time fighting this program but we all pray he will "let go of old ideas"and join us in contented sobriety one day.I am moving into an apt.with an AA friend today and hope to start some sort of treatment after the results of the biopsy Oct 24.My thanks again for the prayers on my behalf I need all the help I can get.Keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/15/01
Time: 5:52:16 AM

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Hi Family,

Deni, do you have wood floors? If so, they need to get dry as soon as possible so they won't warp and mildew. If you have homeowners insurance they should cover having your carpet and flooring dried professionally. It is quite expensive because the carpet needs to be pulled, pad replaced, and floor dried by strong fans. I hope this doesn't bum you out, but if not done you will have problems down the road.

We are supposed to get some more rain today, but nothing very heavy.

Bob, I hope your back is feeling better today. My back also goes out every once in a while. I never know when it is going to happen, I just bend over and WHAM, I can't stand up.

Josh, I hope you post today and let us know how things are going.

I went to a business meeting last night and we are planning to have a Round Robin after the 1st of the year. We are planning to have a speaker come in from Okla. to give a talk on the 12 steps, and we are going to ask the area archivist to bring his display down and give a short talk on the history of AA. Chili cookoff for lunch, BB Trivia contest, and a couple of workshops on 4th step, and another on Spirituality. Sounds like a full day of AA. It is still much in the planning stage, so lots of work to do. I am grateful to belong to a group that is so active in carrying the message. It is a small group, but it is growing rapidly. We have about 15 members with less than 6 months sobriety who are staying sober, going to meetings and getting involved in service work.

Ric, are you feeling better? I know as busy as you are, getting ready for winter that it must be tough to have downtime. I hope you get back on your feet soon. Sounds like you had a great conference.

Mea, I hope you post again. Don't be a stranger.

Jon, how is Willie holding up? I s he starting to eat better?

Well, better get to moving around here. I have a few things to do. I want to get them done so they won't be hanging over my head all day.

I would love to hear from Lily and Mary!!

Love to all!

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/15/01
Time: 6:12:23 AM

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Hi Paul,

You are in my prayers my friend. I hope the move goes smoothly for ya. Let us know when you get all moved and keep us informed of what is going on with ya. Somebody cares!!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Leb NH
Date: 10/15/01
Time: 7:09:05 AM

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Hi all, Only time for a quick one....

Welcome Jo..Sounds like you went thru the mill! I managed DT's and Siezures, but never thought of the keyhole! Come on back. We all need ES&H, and sounds like you have it...

Josh, let's hear from you. Hope you have managed a meeting or two!

Steve....Well Willie hasn't been eating too well. Guess I'll just have to leave it up to his higher meower! He He

Bob, Damn, you mention back problems and everyone can seem to identify. I've had one like Steves..reach for a pencil and wham!!! Then three or four days walking at a 45 degree angle. So glad your feeling better! You sound great.

Paul, dont mess up your back moving.... I sure wish you the best. I agree fully on your thoughts of that DR. for Josh.

Hey, I know I've missed some, but must go...Hope to see you later.. Hi Ric, you are a busy one!, Love all, Jon

Firstname: Simon
Location: UK
Date: 10/15/01
Time: 9:47:19 AM

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Hi folks

Thanks for all the comment addressed to me. I was very surprised to see the response a single posting could provoke. It's nice to know there are so many people in the same situation who care. No chance of a direct meeting just yet I'm afraid - it's not my scene. I'll keep reading on tho at this site ... there's some positive advise which I find helpful.

Thanks again

Firstname: Nancy
Location: NH
Date: 10/15/01
Time: 10:10:05 AM

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Hi family,

Haven’t been able to get on the Forum or email from home, so finally took my computer into the shop for repairs.

Steve, a little late but HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Welcome Josh, Jo, Mae. I can definitely identify with those feelings of being home, Jo, felt them at my very first meeting, and how wonderful it was to have that wretched loneliness and hopelessness begin to disappear. Being able to identify with the feelings of the speakers, no matter what walk of life they had come from, was/is such a blessing.

Send some rain this way! Several wells have gone dry around here. Don’t even want to think about putting in an artesian well as a good part of the area is ledge and that’s an expensive deal.

Too many to name so ((())) to you all. Am posting from work so think I’d better sign off and get some of it done! Love to all, Nancy

Firstname: Kebbie B.
Location: Alaska
Date: 10/15/01
Time: 10:14:21 AM

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Hello ALL! This is Bob's daughter in Alaska. Since he Brensonized the latest computer I figured this is a good way to see how he's been. Glad the camping went well Dad. I spend most of my time watching the war on TV, eeeeeeeeeech. I am so glad this forum is here, it means so much to so many. Love and God bless to all.

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/15/01
Time: 10:48:00 AM

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Good morning y'all fine people! It started out at 40 this morning, but now is 54 out there. Clouding up, and supposed to get more rain!

Chaired our Positive Attitude meeting this morning, and as usual, it was a good one. I had lots of positive things to talk about after our pleasant week at camp! I also won a couple games of cribbage after the meeting. (G)

Jon, my L-5 vertebrae has a birth defect and now and then moves forward, and pinches the sciatic nerve, or just makes the lower back hurt. This one seems to be getting better on it's own, so will wait a couple days before checking with the chiro. As long as I sit still, it is OK. And when I get on my feet, it hurts like hell, but gets better as I move about. Been living with that since I was 15. :-(

Simon, if you are getting something out of this forum, you just gotta try face to face meetings! Nothing like it, and you will find that after a while, you really look forward to going to each meeting, and seeing friends who are sharing what we all have. Those person to person hugs are just wonderful. (G)

Welcome back Nancy! I wish I COULD send ya some of our rain! Things are wet around here lately, and the leaves are too soggy to start the blower up and cleanup of the yard.. I do not like THAT part of fall around here!

What a pleasant surprise to see the message from my daughter here! Thank you Kebbie! Now you have met a lot of my unofficial family here. Great bunch of people, eh? (G)

I finished setting up this computer now. Not a thing left to do with it except use it. I have done enough Brensonizing to last me a long time now. Killed it all once more Sat. night, but was able to restore it myself this time without paying someone to do it. (G)

Well, I start work again, tomorrow night! I will be working a few 3 and 4 hour shifts until November, then swing back into the old routine of 8 hour shifts. Only problem is.. I may have to work quite a few midnight to 8am shifts. Dang, I hate those! The dispatch center is still being decided, as far as disbanding it, so not sure how much longer I will have a job there, or insurance. Have to take things one day at a time, just like the rest of my life!

I edited my page in the photoisland web site, with 9 new photos of fall color in WI, as well as our campout last week. Check it out! I also deleted a bunch of photos that I have had in it for quite a while now.

For you newcomers.. If you want photos of you, friends, family, and things you like to do, send me an email, attach the photos, and I will set you up in the album pages! Diane can do the same thing too...

Stay sober, and have a GREAT DAY!!!!

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 10/15/01
Time: 11:22:24 AM

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Jennie, please send some warm weather!!One day playing golf, and I can't wait to get out again. Not much rain today, bur dark and windy, and all the black walnuts bombing the roof and deck!!

Jo, welcome to our online AA group. We would like to get to know you..thank you for sharing your story with us. It's the continuous honesty and sharing our e,s,and h that may help any newcomers. You made all the right points: go to meetings, get a sponsor, practice the 12 steps.

Josh, I hope today finds you more comfortable.

Bob, I can't believe you're going back to work. Hope you are strong enough, and ready for the grind again. A nice post from your daughter!!

Paul, my prayers are with you as you start your treatment. Believe me, I know that all the help and prayers from this page helped me tremendously during my surgery. Your AA friend is generous to share his home with you, you are going to need support to get thru this. Keep in touch, we care about you!!

Simon, I am curious as to why f2f meetings aren't "your scene". That's where all the principles of this program start to make sense....listening and sharing with others who have been there before you. NOTHING can replace eye to eye contact, and think of all the hugs you're missing. Even after several 24's in this program, I still find f2f meetings essential to keeping my peace of mind, and staying focused on sobriety. We hear stories of those with many years of sobriety going out again.....because they stopped going to meetings. Get a good start, try some LIVE AA!!

Nancy, we missed you!! Keep posting from work!! Guess you are back to normal after the dental work. Yes, the lonliness did disappear, and life took another turn with the first AA meetings I went to. Realizing that I was not alone made a lot of difference.

Hi to Kebbie!! Your Dad is one of our strongest members, here. It's neat to have family post here, too. Bless you!!

Lily, any news on your medical problem? Mary, we haven't heard from you lately, either!! Also missing, Donna---your hotmail address is coming back....do you have a new one? Jody, in TX, hope things are going smoother for you, too. Another lost one is Candy....Hopefully all those missing are involved in f2f AA. Tommy, I am so glad you are giving f2f meetings a try.

Sobriety, serenity, and a lovely Monday to everyone. Love, Diane

Firstname: TommyTGA
Location: Savannah,GA
Date: 10/15/01
Time: 3:56:15 PM

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HEY YAll, Welcome-JO!!!!!!!-Glad to see ya made it! This is a great group of people-LOL-they put up with me so they can't be bad. JOSH!!!!!!!!!-Where are ya buddy? Welcome kebbie!-i look forward to getting to know ya-BOB-is a great person. He has really helped me a lot. I am trying meetings more -though I will admit that I ahve not made one lately-I have been sick with a ear infection and dizzyness but I plan to try to go tommorow night.Right now I just go & listen. I am trying to see the similaritys not the differences- thanks all for being here.-LOVE YALL!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/15/01
Time: 4:21:00 PM

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Tommy...You sound just great...I do believe you may be getting "it" despite of yourself. Good going Buddie.

Simon...I have never seen anyone whistleing and laughing coming into their first meeting...Me? I was terified. I had a panic attack in the first meeting and ran out. A guy came and calmed me down. I didnt have a clue how to talk to people. I found out I didnt have to talk!. If you shake, sweat, squirm, or cry, people will understand. I have seen it all. It just makes us want to help more.

So,believe it or not, there is nothing to fear, but fear itself. (Think I stole that). Try some meetings, it can litterally change your life....Good luck

Diane...Hairballs, I would rather deal with good clean vommit.

Bob...Nice to meet your daughter...You sound just great..Will have more to offer tomrrow. Geeez , cleaning lady will be here. Maybe I will let you talk to her....

Love all, must go, Jon

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/15/01
Time: 5:08:33 PM

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Hi Family,

Nancy, I would send ya some of our rain if I could. We have had plenty for the month. Although, if it had been snow, we would have been up past my #@&. So, I am grateful that is wasn't frozen.

TommyTGA. good to see ya post. Hope the ear thingy clears up soon. Keep going to the meetings, until that is where ya want to go. It will happen if ya hang in there. Thanks for tellin Jo where we are, I can use all the help I can get.

Kebbie, you have one hell of an father. I know he is proud of you and I am sure you feel the same way about him. This is our little cyber family and it is amazing how close we have all gotten. ANd we have never even met F2F.

Hey, all you cat lovers, my cat NoBalls, runs out side and starts grazing on the grass. What's up with that? Is he missing greens in his diet? Should I open a can of green beans for him? I don't know! I have never had a cat that acted like a cow before. His bowels work well. Maybe that's what Willie needs Jon! Couldn't hurt. It might even cure hairballs. ANy help would be appreciated.

Simon, I think all of us here agree that without going to meetings we would not have stayed sober. It is up to you. Try it your way if you want, but meetings are very important for all sober drunks that I know. I see alot that are drunk that never really gave meetings a good try. Meeting Makers Make It!

Diane, Thank You for the Birthday card. I really appreciate it! Hopefully you will get some warmer weather to play another round of golf.

Well, gonna get ready for the 8pm. meeting. 12x12 study tonight and I have missed the last 3 Mondays. I always learn something out of the books. I have barely touched the tip of the iceburg for what this program has to offer.

Love to all!

Josh and Mea, are you still with us. If you are reading please post!

Firstname: Deni
Location: Romeoville, IL
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 12:17:56 AM

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Hi everyone. Deni here. Steve, the floor that flooded is carpeting over concrete. Does that make it more difficult or easier to clean, or does it make a difference? We just keep trying to suck it up with the shop vac. It's really beginning to annoy me. Thanks for the suggestions.

Paul, good luck with the move. It sounds like a positive step in your life.

Simon, listen to the other people. Keep posting here, don't just read. We need your input too!

Bob, I bet it will be nice to get back to work. At least to have some normalcy back.

To all those who are still under the weather, you are all in my prayers.

Take care and God bless!

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 5:38:52 AM

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Hi Family,

Deni, your carpet needs to get dried ASAP. The concrete will hold moisture, but of course it will not warp. The thing to worry about now is mildew and odor. Suck up as much of the water as possible and set up as many fans as you can on it and let them run. If it is not dry by tomorrow, I suggest you call someone in the phone book. You sure don't want it to mildew and smell sour. Wish I was closer, I would do it for ya.

Brrrr! It's chilly here this morning. 32 degrees. This coffee sure tastes good.

Went to the 12x12 study last night and we read from Step 12 about relationships and how we need to pay special attention to practice these steps in our homes. A young fella shared about how it fit into what he was going thru. He wanted to speak to me after the meeting and asked if I could give him a ride home. We talked for about an our after the meeting. Hopefully he will stay sober and work thru this. Like all good alky's, he doesn't have much patience yet and is still heavily into trying to control others. Hopefully he will keep coming back and stay sober. I don't know if I helped him or not, but I didn't have to stop on the way home and get me a bottle.

I hope today finds all of you with a feeling of gratitude.

Love to all!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 6:17:57 AM

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Good morning all... Yep, cleaning lady day. Willie can hide, but I cant....too big.

Steve..cats love grass. In fact pet stores sell seed so you can grow it in the house during winter. I use to give it to Willie, but I think, for him, it was counter productive. They cant digest the center stem. One time when he passed a stem, it hooked on a turd, and bobbled behind him. He tore all thru the house thinking it was chasing him. Finally it fell off. Now everytime he goes to the box, he runs upstairs automatically. About all the exercise he gets.

Bob.. when I worked with the Corps of Eng, we were testing some super concrete slabs. They weighed about 500 pounds. One started to slide from a dolly and I, like an idiot tried to stop it. I felt something give in my back. I didnt have the brains to report it, but the next day I was flat on my back. Pain like I never had before. Was out of work a couple of weeks, and still never made out an accident report. The Dr said I strained it. I took his word, but every so often, as I said, I just bend funny and out it goes. Bet I could have been compensated if I had followed procedures. But that meant asking for help. No No. Then, booze dulled the pain.... Another reminder!!

Simon...Jo....Josh, where did you go? Love to hear how your doin!!!

Here she comes...cleaning lady...Ta Ta, love all, Jon

( Nancy, call me if your well goes dry...we have good town water!) J.

Firstname: Paula
Location: Ohio
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 6:25:03 AM

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Hi everyone - Paula here.

Wow, a lot of good posts here since the last time I checked in.

Josh - glad to hear you're making it okay. Isn't Tommy great?!! Take care and listen to all the good advice that's been posted here for you.

(((Tommy))) - sorry to hear about the ear infection. Hope you're feeling better. Feels good to be able to help someone else, doesn't it! :-)

Bob - I'm sure it will be nice for you to have the normalcy of returning to work, at least part time. Don't over do it though. How's the back coming along? My husband's back goes out from time to time for no apparent reason. He has an extra vertibra - so did his grandfather, and so does one of our sons. We had a party a couple of weeks ago. he got up off the couch and bam! that was it. He spent the rest of the night talking to people while lying on the floor. He says it doesn't hurt, he just can't move. He goes to a terrific masso-therapist who always gets him going again. One of the boys goes to the masso-therapist for migraines - works every time, and another just for stress relief related to the move and cultural changes. He does great work. I haven't been - don't have time! (G)

So Jon, Steve, and Diane are all having cat problems too eh. Our Silver just got neutered and declawed. I take him back tomorrow for his post-op eval. Then he's done for a year. I think he's glad to finally be released from the family room where he was held prisoner until his claws were removed. I wonder if HE thinks it was worth the price of losing his... :-)

Anyway, Steve, happy belated birthday. sorry I missed it. Things have been a little hectic around here. Two tests yesterday, and another one later this week. The boys are into soccer playoffs, the oldest into the play rehearsals and choreography rehearsals. My youngest has her 10th birthday next week, and we're planning her birthday party at the local cinema for this Sunday.

Our little town of Granville had a scare yesterday. A woman in the post office opened a letter with white powder in it. Haz-mat sealed off the p.o. sent a bunch of people to the hospital for decontamination. The p.o. is still closed today - haven't heard any test results. Granville is a very small (about 5,000 people), New England-style college town (Denison University). The fire trucks had to go all of a block to get to the p.o. I wonder if they used their sirens? :-) We're 2 miles outside of town, so I wouldn't hear anything even if I'd been home!

Paul - glad to hear you're moving in with your AA buddy. Our prayers are with you. We all appreciate you E.S.&H.

Lots of rain - I drove the kids down the driveway (1/4 mi) to the bus so they wouldn't get drenched this morning while listening to the weatherman on the radio say "chance of showers this afternoon" sheesh!! Doesn't he have a window!!

Well, gotta go. Jon - how's the cleaning lady? (G)

Have a good and sober 24. Love Paula

Kebbie - good to see your post. It's nice to hear from a family member!

Firstname: CHOPPER
Location: AUSTRALIA
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 6:41:32 AM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

JON - turd willie the cat I needed a laugh ha ha ha don't ya just love the little furry bastards - now if I could just get mine to stop peeing on me ha ha ha

oo-roo chopper wet leg

Firstname: JoshP
Location: Baltimore, MD
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 6:55:36 AM

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Steve; Cats eat grass when they have an upset stomach. Cats will usually eat the grass then throw up a nice size hair ball later. But enough about that. Hope everyone is doing fine. I was doing great until I slipped last night.I live uptown and their is a discount cigarette outlet down town. Went to go get some ciggs. Stupid me decided O what the hell! I'll have just one for the ride downtown. Got ciggs. I'll have another for the ride home. Killled that one not home yet. Better get another to finish my ride. So when I get home and open the back door to retrieve ciggs, whatta know a grocery bay with a 2 cans of beer that God only knows how long they have been there, so I drank then too. So a few hours shy of 4 days I went out and had 5 beers! Wife was upset to say the least. I told her look I messed up! It wasent a 12 pack or a 30 pack which I prefer, It was 5 beers. Tomorrow is a new day, I'll go from here! Nice to see everybodys doing good more to come as it comes! Busy packing for our move back to Miami at the end of the month, so I'm gonna get back to that talk with yall soon.

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 9:03:26 AM

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Good morning from sunny WI! Cool, but a very nice day to be alive!

Diane, I feel plenty strong enough for work now. I will only work 4 shifts of 3 or 4 hours til November. By then, I will know if I can hang in there for 8 hours a day. (G) It's actually no more physical labor than sitting here at my home computer all day. A lot of mental stress, and thinking before acting there, but that probably will be good for me!

Tommy, thank you for the kind words. I am not sure Kebbie will be back here, but she might. I think she was very impressed with what I am getting from the forum, and it has spiked her curiosity on what her old man is doing.. (G)

Jon, if you let your cleaning lady in here, I wonder what goodies she would have to say about ya? :-)

And thank YOU Steve. About your cat.. Our youngest one, Max, who thinks he is a dog and DEMANDS to be let out every time we let the dog out, heads straight for the grass when he can sneak out under the dog. He is a real sneaky devil too. Hides in back of the door as we open it, and if not watching, he rounds the door at a dead run when we open the screen door, and zips right on out with Flint. And now, he turns a sharp left, and dives under the damn Yew bushes and trees we have, and he keeps just out of reach. I have a piece of conduit that I use to poke him out now to where I can grab his tail. (G)

Deni, you are right about getting some normalcy back! I have felt pretty helpless for 4 months now, and I NEED to feel like I am not an invalid! The money is needed now too.. (G)

Steve, hard to believe it was that cold out there! I suppose that will work it's way to me soon though! It was 40 this morning here..

Your meetings almost always sound like a new adventure! Lots of opportunities for 12 step work there!

Jon, my back sounds just like yours. Never know when it will go out on me. Worst I ever had was when I worked in a paint store and picked up a box of shades that weighed about 10 pounds. I turned to put it away, and felt like someone stabbed me in the back. I could not even breath for a while it hurt so bad. Took me right to my knees. An Osteopath got that taken care of that time after I went to the local clinic where they X-Rayed and told me there was nothing wrong with me. Just cause I could not breath mean nothing to the regular docs. Idiots...

Paula, my back is a bit better this morning. I don't think I need to go to the chiro. I love the massage therapy, but cannot afford it. My insurance will not cover that. :-(

Sounds like you are keeping VERY busy! I think this cold front should get to you very shortly and that rain will end..

Chopper, there is some kind of spray you can use to ward off the cats from places you don't want them to pee on. I suppose it would work on your legs too.. Try it, and let us know. Hehehehe

Josh, you are treading very dangerous waters there. That cunning alcohol will trap you into thinking you can drink a little bit, but you will not be able to stop after you try that a couple times. And you will be right back to where you were. It just isn't worth it my friend. You need to stay totally away from alcohol. That first drink always does it. You need to get to a face to face meeting ASAP! Good luck to you!

Time to shower and shave so I look presentable at work tonight!

Lots of love to you all!

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 9:17:53 AM

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Hi All!

Josh- Many folks have "slips" when they are starting out. Don't beat yourself up, too much, but try to learn from it! Remember that it is important that you get up, one more time than you fall. Remember that alcohol is cunning, baffling and powerful. Also remember that we keep trying to avoid the "first" drink!

I had an "interesting" night! About 3:00 AM, I heard our little dog fighting with something outside. I took a powerful spotlight, and went out, just in time for both of us to be sprayed by a skunk!

Tomato juice doesn't work! I had to sleep on the couch, after a bath, and now, even the cat, who loves to sit on my lap, while I'm on the computer, won't have anything to do with me!

I think that I'll work from home, today, otherwise I'll be working alone anyway. Fortunately, there is a lot of computer work that I can do. Rose figures that we should go to the bush, and pick some more medicine, because any of the wildlife will stay away from us, as long as our little dog, Smudge, and I are with her.

I know that I'll be hearing a lot of laughter in the near future. I just have to remember that "they're laughing at me, not with me."

I can relate to those of you who are having new worries, in this war on terrorism. The whole point is, that they are trying to keep anyone from becoming relaxed. They are trying to create instability, based on psychological means.

I can only think of one thing, when things like that happen. "Illigitimus non carborundum!" That's latin, for "don't let the bastards grind you down!"

Hope everyone has a good, sweet smelling day! Love Ric

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Leb NH
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 11:52:49 AM

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So that's where the skunk smell is coming from....Picked up the odor thru my 'puter! Whew!!! We went thru a skunk episode this spring. It didnt hit us, but got in the garage under the house. As I remember, we had the smelliest Easter, ever! Sorry to say, Ric , it lasted a loooong time!

Josh, As I said once before..." Remember that Thursday and Friday detoxin!!" I'm sure you dont want to go thru that again. It's those first ones that will kill ya. Dont be too dicouraged, you aren't the first or last to slip. Pick yourself up and try again. Find some meetings!

Bob...If Chopper sprays that stuff on himself,maybe HE wont be able to pee. HeHeHe.

Love ya all.....Jon

Firstname: Paula
Location: Ohio
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 12:23:04 PM

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Hi guys - wow! Three of you sent me the Hazeldon piece and I subscribe to Hazeldon too! Thanks to Jon, Bob, and Diane for thinking of me :-)

Josh, we all slip. No big deal. Just don't let it become a habit. The idea is to not take the "first" drink. Do you move to Miami every winter?

Spent all day on the 'puter trying to download some information on the Family Leave Act of 1993. Maybe it was Ric's smell that was fouling up my printer ;-)

Still blustery outside, if it was snowing we'd have a major blizzard with this wind! The kids will be home from school soon, and then it will be my turn to leave for school. This is harder than I thought it would be. Oh well, it only lasts until the end of November, then finals and then 3 weeks off before the next quarter starts with (hopefully) a better schedule.

Oh, got email from a friend in Italy. She was forwarding a letter she got from a friend. The friend was telling her about HER friend who told her she had been dating an Afganistani (?) who suddenly stood her up on 9/6. When she went to his house to see what was wrong the place was empty. After that she got a letter from him telling her he couldn't explain what was going on but not to get on any planes on 9/11 and to stay away from malls on Halloween. After the events of 9/11 the person turned the letter over to the FBI. Don't know how reliable this is, but it wasn't a preprinted forward, but actually from the friend of a friend. The friend had signed it, and so the whole thing is tracable if necessary. So take it for what it's worth. I personally hate shopping and will have no problem staying away from malls on Halloween. Be safe!

Love Paula

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 12:23:14 PM

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Howdy again! Waiting to go to work now. I am a bit excited about it, to tell the truth! I am anticipating a big reaction to my dispatching skills, as I think I will sound a lot more laid back than I used to be. The little things will not bug me, and I won't be barking at the squads anymore. (G) Yesser, I be a kinder, gentler person now. Hope it lasts! (G)

Ric, tomato juice works wonders! How much did you use? 2 years or so ago, my dog got into a skunk near our garage, and really got a dose. He came in the house, ran into the living room and rubbed all over the furniture and me trying to get the stink off himself. What a mess! We had no tomato juice, but did have a quart can of V-8. I used that on the dog and me, and Fabreez got rid of the odor in the house. By the next day, all was smelling good again. If tomato juice won't work for ya, you must have some powerful smelly skunks up there!

Well Jon, if Chopper uses that stuff, and it doesn't work, he could try some skunk aroma. Bet THAT would work. (G)

Catch ya all tomorrow!

Love and lotsa hugs umm, 'cept for Ric, that is.. (G)

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 1:28:47 PM

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Well. Jon, no hairballs this morning, but Samuri had been out hunting, and left a disimbowled large mouse in the living room for us!! Quite a present!!

Steve, cats do that if they have a stomach ache....to make them throw up..good thing you're in the cleaning business!! Got in another 18 this morning, and another 90, no mulligans this time!!! Started at nine, and it was COLD!! but warmed up to 60+ pretty soon. Can't believe I am so glad to be sober, and alive!!!

Josh, you really need to get rid of the alcohol lying around your house and car. It only takes one second to decide to have a drink, do you really want to keep starting over? Get serious, get to a meeting, get a sponsor. We call what you did a SLIP ....Sobriety Loses Its Priority.

Sorry about your skunk attack, Ric!! I think Jon had one on his porch last springl, so he really knows how bad it is!!

Bob, have a good day at work!!

Need a nap!!! Read you all later. Love, Diane

Firstname: Jo H.
Location: NW Wisconsin
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 4:00:23 PM

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Well, friends, I visited this site during the work day today, sat at my desk eating softshell tacos and reading about hairballs, cat vomit and skunk spray. So good to have positive reading material at the office :-D

I went to a meeting at noon today and was blessed to be asked to sponsor a really cool lady who's been there a few times. She is living on the 3rd floor of the courthouse where I work (in the Jail!!!!) and that's not really a bad thing, at least I won't have to worry about her wanting to talk to me about any funny running-around kind of stuff or cats pukin hairballs or polecats or bad waiters makin her feel like drinkin - not until June anyway. I am looking forward to having the chance to work through the steps as outlined in the Big Book with her - don't know what it will do for her, but it surely ain't gonna hurt me!

I am enjoying your posts very much, feel like I have find another new branch of my family.

Recognize your blessings, my friends, and thank you for being some of mine!

In love and service, Jo

Firstname: jon p
Location: dallas
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 5:29:17 PM

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first time to see this sight just want all of you know it kept me from drinking today thanks

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 5:58:33 PM

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Come back soon, Jon in Dallas, and share your story with us!! There is a lot of good AA here, and a lot of just plain conversation!! Diane

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 10/16/01
Time: 10:11:50 PM

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Hi Everyone!

It's great to read all of the positive posts, today!

AA has enabled me to get involved in life, and it is wonderful to be able to just talk about what's going on, in that life.

Welcome to those who are new to this forum! Keep coming back, you all are a great part of my sobriety!

As to being sprayed by a skunk, that's just an occupational hazard, when you live in our area, or many other areas. I'm pretty sure that I've smelled worse, when I was living on the streets. This stink will eventually go away though, and has provided many of my family and friends with something to laugh about. The response, from our Plan B group has been wonderful, and gave me a great deal of fun!

Although my wife had to go to North Battleford, today, she wouldn't allow me to go with her, since it's too cold for me to ride in the back of the truck.

Tomorrow, I have to go to court, and have some of the court workers come for lunch, at our house. We're trying to get the smell manageable, and have made great progress. We have a circuit court, up here, and often, when the court day comes, we'll have the judge and other workers, come for lunch. Fortunately, this time, it's not the judge, or he may change his mind about our being "friends of the court."

It's great to read that Bob is going back to work! I hope it all goes well, for you, Bob. Don't push yourself too hard, but I know that you've thought it out well.

I hope everyone else has had as much laughter and good feelings, as I've had today! Love Ric

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 5:45:37 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Pepe, I mean Ric, sounds like the event of being sprayed by a skunk has provided some entertainment. That is great. It is a blessing when we can laugh at our misfortune.

Bob, how did work go? I bet they were glad to see ya back. Sounds like you are going to be taking it slow and building up to the full shift.

Jo in Dallas, Welcome. Keep coming back my friend.

Congrats on getting a new sponsee. Sounds like you have a captive audience, Hehehe. I am sure if she is willing, jail will be a great place to do the steps and learn about recovery. I am glad you will be around to help her. I hope the talk of the furballs and vomit didn't make the taco's too chewy.

It's another chilly morning here. Weather Bug says 35 degrees, but it is supposed to warm up to 65 today.

A close friend in the program is getting a divorce and I met with him last night and we talked for a couple of hours. I don't know if it helped him or not, but it sure helped me get out of my stuff. Actually, I don't have as much stuff as I used too, thanks to this program. I have a couple of jobs for today. Should be done around noon. Hopefully I will get a full days work before long. I just hope the old body can hold up when it comes. hehehe. I have gotten kind of out of shape this last year. I am grateful today!

Love and Sobriety to all!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 6:59:32 AM

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Good morning all...Hey, Jon P from Dallas, come on back and join us...maybe if you post each morning you wont drink one day at a time! Tell us a bit about yourself. Great bunch here!

Jo....Sounds like a good "sponsor" set-up. Actually I know several that got started while in jail and are regular members today. I agree, when I help someone go thru the steps, I swear I learn more about them than they do.. Neat stuff. Sorry about the vommit.

Ric, I love your stories that apparently are daily routine to you. I feel like I'm reading an old western Zane Grey novel. Circuit courts and all..Neat. Maybe if you strip and stand up in the back of the pick-up, some of the odor will go away. Just a thought. Before you had meetings up there, have you been in, or know of anyone in the AA " Loner" program? I have often wondered how well it worked.

Steve.. you sure do more 12th stepping and helping those with problems. I think that is great... You are one that people must seek out to unload problems on. Means your a great listener, a valuable quality in this program.

Bob...I sure am glad the work went OK. Just dont over do it. I bet it feels great to "get out of yourself "for awhile. I know I cherish those periods.

I probably shouldn't say this without knocking on wood, but in 6 years we have never had a virus problem. Barb, my daughter , says they usually target "windows" and more common stuff. Too few Macs around to dub with, I guess. Anyhow, another thing I am greatful for!!!

Diane..Neat jokes, etc. thanks. Peg has the day off, supposed to rain. She shot 94 yesterday...had a bad day, but said the trees were absolutely brilliant. I am so glad you are able to get out before snow falls. It should keep you real sharp 'til spring. What a nice present your kitty left you. Touching...

Well got to run. When I come back, I'll try to hit all I've missed.. Love all, Jon

Firstname: Jim M.
Location: TX.
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 7:33:02 AM

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Still alive. Still kickin'. So busy...

Will check in again soon.

Firstname: Lexxi
Location: FL- boonies
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 10:40:11 AM

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Hey ya'll,

It's Lexxi. Long time, huh? Haven't read the posts, but hope ya'll are well.

I'm back in a bad way, ya'll... Now what?! Gee, what a surprise...! D*mned! And for a while, I thought I actually "Got It"!

Thanks, Lexxi

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 10:54:12 AM

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Jim, glad you are still with us!! Post when you have time. Make time for f2f meetings!!

The virus problem may be growing, what with the current world situation. Jon, I have had infected attachments arrive with emails, but my McAfee virus scan has always caught them, so far. At least anthrax can't be sent via email. Yet. Taking a day off today, overdid yesterday.....but it feels so good to be "normal" again!!

Jo in WI, glad you like our message board! The more serious stuff is on the "Discussion" and "12 & 12" pages of this web site. The woman you are sponsoring, in jail, is in a good position to listen...certainly her access to alcohol is limited. It seems as if some of us have to really be at the end of our rope before we can grasp the fact that we are alcoholics.

Bob, glad your first day back went well. Hope the virus doesn't effect your email Plan B !! Take it easy!!

Josh, I hope you are reading our page. And have found a local meeting in your area. And Jon in Dallas, let us know how we may help you....not drinking is the first step to another life.

Steve, our weather is much the same as yours, altho very windy today. I admire your working with your friend. It does get us out of ourselves to help, or even just listen, to anothers problems.

A sober, serene Wednesday to everyone. Love, Diane

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 12:17:38 PM

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Lexxi....Great to hear from you . Sorry about the condition, tho. Maybe the problem was as you said, " I think I had it!" When I think I have it, I put my guard down.... People may say it to me, but I dont dare tell myself that.

Try again... and keep in touch with us....Love Jon

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 12:24:32 PM

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Howdy everyone! Boy, some nice new faces here! Keep coming back and we will get to know you!

Lexxi, glad to see you back especially! Hang in there dear, and start from scratch.(G)

I am a tad upset about this virus thingy. It affects the MS Internet Explorer only. I could possibly send out an infected URL if I did not know what I was doing, but will not do that, so no worry about me sending it to anyone. It is called the JS.StartPage and is a Trojan horse virus. Got it through someone sending me an infected URL that I opened. Unknown which one it was, as I did not have a virus protection installed at the time. :-( I installed my EZAnti Virus program, and it found 3 infected URL's and supposedly deleted them. But, it did not work. I then went out and bought Norton AV this morning after the meeting, and that doesn't find a thing wrong in my computer. BUT.. I try to open a web page, and suddenly get web pages opening up, one after the other. And every dang one of them is a porno site! I delete one, and a dozen more appear. :-( I am at a loss on what to do now, as Norton cannot find it. I suppose this means another format of my drive, and start from scratch again. Jeeez, this is getting tiresome!

Just thought I would let ya all know, I will not send out any corrupted URL's or email, so what I send is safe...

Love ya all!

Bob

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 1:40:57 PM

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HI Family,

Bob, sorry to hear about the virus. Hopefully you will be able to get it fixed soon. My ISP has sent me several notices that a virus had been sent to me, but there equipment caught it, so it was not sent on to me. I am grateful since my anti virus in not up to date. I really need to go out and buy the new version and install it, which is what my ISP suggests I do. I had Norton on the 1st computer and had McCaffee on this one, then didn't update it.

Had a busy day today. 3 jobs and my back is stiff. Just woke up from a nap and it feels better. I think I will go soak in hot water and really get some relief.

Lexxi, I had a guy tell me one time something that really confused me. What he said is " When he thinks he knows, he doesn't know. And when he think's he doesn't know, he knows." It makes perfect sense to me know. Keep coming back, we love ya.

Diane, enjoy the rest. The rest of the week is supposed to be nice.

Love to all!

Firstname: jennie
Location: AUSTRALIA
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 1:49:37 PM

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Hi everyone Jennie alcoholic here. Bob, those virus' are a pain in the !@#$. Hope you track it down, sex sites hey? Steve, ditto on the work you do with others, you must be a great listener, just thank God your not in Aussie or I would talk your ear off! Diane will send some lovely sunshine over, sorry guys...s'pose I did have it coming Bob. Welcome back Lexxi, you never fail until you stop trying, come back soon. Welcome to Jo and Jon P. Haven't had any fur ball problems with our cats, just the peeing on Choppers leg, do you think they are trying to tell me something? Ric, good luck with your skunks, hope the smell is gone. We don't have any in Oz, thank God! Jon, how is Willie going, back to ordering you around yet? I swear they think we are thier servants! Well, better go and wake the family and get them moving. Happy 24 to all. Love Jennie

Firstname: Lily
Location: Pa.
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 1:51:11 PM

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Lily-alcoholic

Hi all... Still here and kicking. I haven't been in here for while cause I finally gave my 2-3-4 week notice to the restaurant. I AM almost finished there. It is too hard for me to do anymore. Especially with the neck situation., I go to the neuro-surgeon Monday. I am so used to living with the uncomfort and aching.. I hardly know it. If they can do something to ease the aching.. It probably will change my entire moods. I have been really a bear over the last couple yrs. Very unlike me.. but someone told me constant pain .. causes stress and I DO believe it. Anyhow, I am working doubles before I actually am done.. will only be on the next 3 weeks schedule. It is like giving up an old friend and security blanket of sorts. I started that job and have been very faithful at it since I was 6 months sober and still living at the Halfway house( where I work now)- I am very grateful for the restaurant, but it is time to say Goodbye. I am sad and a little nervous about giving it up.. but I do have other options.. I am a hair stylists by trade and can always do hair to pick up extra $$$. I am putting all my faith and trust in my Higher Power to guide me... Blind faith, I guess. I really need to work 2 jobs as my g-kids need things and My son doesn't make that much, his $ is tied up in the court system for a few years. We work together!! I do have faith in the matter!!

Lexxi.. good to see you , Honey.. do the footwork and all will follow.. you have TODAY!!

jon P. Hi and welcome!!

Steve, Jon, Diane, Bob(virus, Huh??Man what a shame). Deni- (HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU !!!!! :):):):)) And many more. Love and thank you to you all!!

Tommy - you might not realize it , but you are passing and carrying a great message!! I see it.... time for you to not doubt YOURSELF!! Love you , Man!!

I care for each of you, just haven't had the time or energy to write- I carry each of you close to my heart and prayers.. will be in touch. Later!!

WELCOME to all you New on line... keep coming back- there are a wonderful bunch here!!

Keep the jokes and inspirational words coming .. they are so helpful to all. I am out of Ink for now.. got to go get some, I love to pass them on also!

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 5:03:21 PM

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Hi gang the weather is certianly nicer when living in a apt instead of my tin can at least this place is warm.We to have had a lot of cold and wind,I used to complain about the wind in Texas but it was 80 degrees warmer.So many new names and thoughts I pray all you newcommers find help on site and at your local AA.For the person that mentioned they were a little shy about walking into a meeting you really will be welcomed but if it will make it easier for you call the local AA and someone will gladly pick you up and go with you.Good Luck,keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: jon p
Location: dallas
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 5:12:54 PM

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Hi again i enjoy reading about yall. I have to get my typing up yo speed and will share more. Had 10 yrs went out past two' im still getting over the shkes a little nice to get support.

Firstname: Tommy TGA
Location: Savannah,Ga
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 6:01:31 PM

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HEY YALL! Lmao Ric-sorry man-I had a friend who was once skunked-FOr the rest of his life that was his nickname-Skunk! Josh-I hope that you are reading this-man-I don't know wheither or not I helped you last night-all I can do is try.LEXXI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-WOW great to see ya again!-I have missed you very much-Welcome back-keep on trying girl-Thats all any of us can do.

Firstname: Tommy TGA
Location: Savannah,Ga
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 6:01:43 PM

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Firstname: Jo H.
Location: NW Wisconsin
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 6:06:11 PM

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Friends, Ya'll are busy, it's hard to keep up with ya! Ran into my jail pigeon today - she gets out during the day for treatment program, was crossing the footbridge over the river same time as i was out on a "constitutional" so we had time to walk and talk, on a beautiful day. One thing I'm not too sure of, I'm "only" an alcoholic, never did street drugs (guess I should say never did 'em YET) and she was mostly drugs tho she definitely knows she is an alcoholic too. Am a little concerned about that, tho I am under the impression the solution is the same for the both and I am big into spirituality as the cornerstone of recovery. Guess I will feel my way with this one, she is not stupid in the least, and very open, I will talk it over with her and we'll see how it works.

The day here was beautiful, chilly and windy and sunny... fall is my favorite season, and I am blessed to be sober and able to enjoy it.

Recognize your blessings! Always, Jo

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 6:35:40 PM

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Good evening! I was unable to remove that virus using EZ Antivirus, or Norton AV. So, I had to delete the old once more, and have now installed a new W2K. As you all can see, I am up and running now. Virus's are all gone. (G) And so are the porno sites.

First thing I did was install Norton AV. (G)

Getting tired, so will close for today..

Love ya all, and WOFFYHUGS to ya!

Bob

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 7:47:45 PM

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Hi All!

Careful Bob! I'm glad that you got rid of your virus problems. We wouldn't want to hear that you went blind, on top of all your other difficulties!

Things went well today, and most of the smell is gone, except for on my dog. She thinks that she did something wrong, because nobody wants to pet her.

We'll be going to a family barbeque, tomorrow. This will be the last of this year. I'm fortunate that many of my family members are sober, so it will be like a Norman Rockwell painting, I guess.

Jon- It's funny that you ask about the AA Loners International, since I used to get my meetings by mail, when I lived in the Yukon Territory. I sent a letter to a box number, in Grand Central Station, in New York, and they forwarded it to various places that would send letters to me. I guess that that's why I like this forum so much. It's very similar to having meetings by mail, only quicker. Although I still live in the "North", I am many more miles south of the Arctic Circle, than I once was.

There is some very active AA in the Yukon, and the annual round-up has several hundred people attending.

For all the newcomers, to this forum, keep coming back, it works if you work it!

I was told, today, that it is good luck to be sprayed by a skunk. It helps to get rid of lots of germs and bad luck. I guess that anything that happens after an experience like that, is better!

Thank you all, for being there for me! Love Ric

Firstname: Deni
Location: Romeoville, IL
Date: 10/17/01
Time: 11:29:27 PM

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Hi everyone. Deni here. We've almost got the basement carpet dried, I think. Now if we can just get the animal smells out that surfaced during the flooding, my life would be complete.

Lily, thanks for the birthday wishes. You are too sweet! I think quitting the restaurant is going to be a positive thing for you. I hope you're feeling better real soon.

Steve, thanks for the advice about the carpet. We've had fans on 24/7.

Gotta go. I'm not feeling to great today.

Take care and God bless!

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/18/01
Time: 5:58:03 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Deni, I am glad the carpet is drying out for ya. If you have a pet odor problem, look in the phone book and see if you have a Janitor supply company. Get some Zymalive. It's about $8 a gallon and will solve your problem. Don't apply it until the carpet is completely dry. IT's an enzyme that eats the bacteria that is causing the odor. Very carpet safe!!!

Bob, I agree with Ric, you don't want to go blind do ya? Hehehe. Glad you got the computer fixed, now leave it alone. It can take only so much Bresonization.

Diane, are you gonna play golf today. We are supposed to hit 72 today.

I didn't sleep worth a flip last night. Don't know why, just kept waking up and couldn't get back to sleep. I am sure a nap will be had this afternoon.

Ric, you sure smell lucky my friend! I really enjoy hearing about your early sobriety in the Artic. With several hundred attending the Round Up, sounds like a good AA message is being carried. Tell the family I said Hi!

Jo, good to see ya post again. I feel it should work with the new sponsee, if she is ready. God could and would if he were sought.

Tommy, how are the feet? Did ya start back to meetings?

I got a phone call about a guy I sponsor yesterday. My sponsee has been in and out of AA many times over the last 5 years. The most dry time he has acquired over that time is about 30 days. Then he disappears for2-6 months and comes back. The phone call said he has ben smoking pot and hustling the girls getting out of treatment. The treatment center brings the clients to our Tuesday night meeting. He volunteered last week to chair those meetings. I confronted him last night before the meeting about the things I had been told. All the information came from a female member of our group who just got out of treatment, so I feel it was probably true, since she was 1 of the people who saw him smoking and he had tried to hustle. Of coarse he denied it when I asked him about it and stomped off and left the meeting. I feel sure he was going to get drunk, since that is his pattern in the past. This time he has been saying he has finally gotten the 1st step, so I hope he knows getting drunk will not fix it. It really made him mad and hurt his feeling that I was asking him this stuff and he knew where it came from. I guess I am feeling a little guilty about having to confront him, but I know that the good of AA is more important that the individual and he was screwing up.

Sorry for posting so long. THis site builds up fast enough without my long posts. Guess I just needed to bounce it off you all!

Love to all!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/18/01
Time: 6:57:44 AM

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Hi family..Jon/alcoholic here...Windy. crisp, but beautiful day today. Leaves are going fast , tho.

Jon P...Glad you came on back. I was a great one for the shakes, too. Couldn't sign my name without practicing a while. Dont worry about your typing, I never typed til I got on here. It's a good place to practice,,,so stick with us. Hope you realize what you were doing wrong before, like maybe stopping meetings?. Good luck and keep us informed how your doing.

Bob...So glad your computer got de-virused. Now, be a good boy and dont Brensonize it!! I need your shares!

Ric, thanks for the "Loners" info. I have always heard of them and never met anyone who participated in that part of the program. In early sobriety I had to spend a couple of weeks on the Alaska north slope, Deadhorse, working on an airfield. They didnt allow booze up there, but there was plenty. Couldnt find any groups there, so I had a time of good old white knuckle sobriety, but made it. I wasnt there long enough to try the loner thing. Thanks for the info....

Jo, A drug is a drug.... If she is interested in sobriety, you cant say anything wrong...If not, you cant say anything right. YOU cant fail..If she doesn't get it this time, you have planted the seed. If she doesn't accept the spiritual part right off, I wouldn't push it. That is what happened to me, and I bolted. If she does, that is great! Good luck..

Tommy...You sound great. Thought that "thought for the day" I sent you might ring a bell. Hope no offence taken... Your doin great!...

Steve....A sponsor is supposed to straighten out his sponsee, if he can. I think you did the right thing....Remember the story about my sponsee that I fired..that was the last time he drank!!! You never know.

Got to run... Paul..I'm glad your toasty!! Love all, Jon

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/18/01
Time: 10:32:06 AM

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Howdy all! Got some time before I leave for the Dr. so will try to put something in here that is not total nonsense. (G)

Lily, I hope you get that neck pain resolved soon! Constant pain can be a total body issue. I hope that quitting the waitress job will help. It must be rough to be working both places like that!

Diane, we are lucky to have all four of our cats strictly indoor pets, so no disemboweled mice to walk on! Max still thinks he is a dog though, and whenever we let the dog out, he sits by the door and howls! He is the only one that wants to go out, and he wants it all the time. (G)

Glad to see you out there on the golf course! Too dang cold around here for anyone with brains to do that lately. It's up to 59 right now at 1210PM... :-(

Jo, HCVSS is a great help to me in staying sober! (Hairballs, Cat Vomit, and Skunk Scent.) (G) Being able to talk about funny things is a big part of staying sober, and when we can laugh at ourselves, it shows we are on track. I laugh at many of the things I do, and try to not let them get to me. So far, it is working. (G)

What county jail do you work in Jo? I am always interested in stuff relating to LE, having retired from the Hartland PD after doing over 31 years of cop work. And now, I am working part time as a dispatcher for 5 departments. My first day back was Tue, and will work again tomorrow and then Sun. Only short shifts until I get broke back in on the computer commands.. (G)

Jon P, glad to meet you! Keep coming back and we can all keep each other sober. (G)

Ric, another good share. Thank you! Sounds like you are well liked by the court system up there. Does that give you access to people that are looking for help when charged with DUI or other drinking problems? I would bet that it does!

Steve, yep it felt GREAT to get back to work! Lots of the officers called up to say it was good to hear me on the radio again. (G)

Speaking of divorces, my son from IL informed me his wife has dumped him for someone else. He is now living in a small rented house. :-( Wish he were closer so I could be of some help to him!

Jon, lots of virus problems going around, but as you say, majority are for MS products. I think I will be OK from now on. That Norton keeps tabs on everything for me, and works in the background so it is not overpowering.. It also checks everything I send out to make sure it is clean! Very kewl. (G)

Time for the Dr. Will send this out and check back in later!

Love y'all!

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

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Password: sober

Firstname: Jo H.
Location: NW Wisconsin
Date: 10/18/01
Time: 12:51:38 PM

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Good afternoon, all!

It's a gray, gloomy, rainy day here and I can't help thinking when I walk outside how good those tiny raindrops feel on my face... I spent years of my life so numb that I didn't even realize there was weather at all, didn't feel the wind or rain or sun or even frostbite on my skin! What a miracle the sense of touch is, and the sobriety to enjoy it! I know that may sound kinda 'Pollyanna-ish' but that is the way I am, I find great cause to celebrate every time I look around me.

Bob, I don't work in the jail, but am a programmer/analyst for Eau Claire County. The courthouse staff is small enough, most of us do know each other, tho the jailers are a bit isolated... LOL, now that I think about it so are those of us in the 'Geek Squad.'

We received official CDC memos today about how to handle suspicious packages, let me pass on a few important tips: 1.if you receive an unopened package or letter marked "anthrax" do not shake or empty the contents... 2.characteristics of suspicious packages and letters include misspelling of common words, oily stains, discolorations or odors, protruding wires or aluminum foil, and (I LOVE this) a ticking sound.

Stay safe, and recognize your blessings! Love, Jo

Firstname: LORRIE O
Location: NJ
Date: 10/18/01
Time: 2:02:34 PM

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Hello All!!!!

Lorrie here,alcoholic. Well as some of you may know that I'm out of the 1/2 way house. Made it to my sixth month mark then picked up on pain medication. Then I'm sure you all know where that led. Yep, right back to the bottle! I was to ashamed to come on sooner but that pride thing always seems to get the best of me. I have 3 days clean & sober, and all I can say is that even though I lost my time, I still won't quit before the miracle happens! I'll keep coming till I get it right.......... Alot of work I need to do on myself but that's okay cuz' I'm ready for it. The only way I got through these last 3 days is working with my HP and some very special friends. There is alot of support for me now and I intend to ask for help when I need it. Can't let my ego & stubborness get in my way again. I look forward to getting to know others a new meeetings in this area.

It's so great to be back here. I truly missed you all very much. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the letters. You can't imagine how they brightened my day! And Diane, those jokes!!!!!! You will here from me everyday now because I finally got an apartment and got the computer set up. I'm back in the restaurant business (NO ALCOHOL!!!!) I work breakfast and lunch and am doing well. Ellen & I are still together although not living together. At this point in time we can't take the chances of myself or her relapsing. She's come too far in her sobriety. I can't allow that. Not even for me! Anyway I just wanted to check in and let you all know what's happening here. When I get the chance I want to go back into the archives to get caught up with you all. Till then, God bless you all.

Love Lorrie

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/18/01
Time: 6:14:57 PM

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HI Family,

Lorrie, even though you used again, you did not lose those 6 months. Those are 6 months of your life that you were clean and sober and that will never change. You just had a learning experience. You have come a long way since you first posted here, just jump back in the saddle and remember how you got thrown the last time. I am glad you are back! Love ya!

I had a great day. Took the dog to the vet, mowed the yard, pulled the tomato plants and visited with friends in the program over breakfast. The new SW Bell phone book came out today and I got a couple of calls and scheduled another job for tomorrow.

I am going to watch the baseball game on the tube and take it easy. See you all tomorrow!

Love to all!

Firstname: Lexxi
Location:
Date: 10/19/01
Time: 3:52:18 AM

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Thanks for the welcome back. Feeling a bit like the prodigal son here... Somehow that first drink din't find itself in my hand yesterday. Could have been the oh so familiar remorse that kept it away, but that's ok with me. BIG SIGH! OK well, here comes "today"! Can't even get into rethinking the whole program right now, but dealing with "today" sounds good to me.

Thanks, Lexxi

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/19/01
Time: 5:10:01 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Gonna make this a short post. Have to be on the 1st job in 40 minutes.

It's a beautiful day in the Ozarks!!

How's that for short?? Hehehe.

Love to all!

Good plan Lexxi, it oughta work!

Firstname: JoshP
Location: Baltimore, MD
Date: 10/19/01
Time: 6:29:11 AM

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Hey all, I've been off and on been so hard got some new meds from Dr. so will try again. I'm a little weary about this medicine though. Naltrexone. Wife said it is Narcan or something along those lines. I always thought Hospitals shot you up with that when you overdose on Heroin??? I've been busy trying not to drink and preparing for my move next weekend back to Miami. Any one know about that drug I mentioned above please let me know ASAP, plan on starting it tommorow. If Its gonna knock me out want someone to be here to watch the kids! Love to all

Firstname: Josh P
Location: Baltimore, Md
Date: 10/19/01
Time: 6:39:06 AM

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Well I'll try this again. Been off and on the wagon for the last week. Its soo hard. My Dr. Gave me a new med to take. Naltrexone. Wife said its Narcan. Isnt that the stuff hospitals shoot you up with when you OD on Heroin?? I've been busy trying not to drink and preparing for my move back to Miami next weekend. I'm still trying though. Anyone know anything about that med I mentioned above? If so let me know ASAP please. Gonna start it tommorow and if its gonna knock me out need someone here to watch the kids. I'll be back soon. Love to all of you!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/19/01
Time: 7:15:02 AM

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Hi all Jon here....Lorrie...Like Steve said...You have had a taste of sobriety and no one can take it away.....Get to those helpful friends, meetings, and get a sponsor. ( Old advice , but it works. )Great to see your name here again.. Dont beat yourself up..Just stay sober TODAY, even tomorrow, TODAY!!. Wish you the best..

Lexxi...For now, dont try to think the whole program...Just the 1st step. Get that phrase "Powerless over alcohol" from your head to your heart....Get to some meetings and then one step at a time... You'll make it if your heart is in it!!!!

Josh...Did you get a different DR? Sounds like he is substituting some meds to take the place of booze. Meds are used to ease withdrawal. When your thru withdrawal, you should stop and see how the program works by attending meetings!!! You dont know how you will feel sober for a spell. You probably wont need meds. Altho some do, You wont know til you try. Look above, and see what pain pills did to Lorrie. That happened to me too. You need a Dr who is well versed in Alcoholism. There is no easier softer way than AA. Good luck....

Frosty, and clear here. Peg heard it may hit 60, so off she went to the course....Jeeeez.

Must go and get Willies constipation medicine. He's full of it again...Love all Jon

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 10/19/01
Time: 8:31:30 AM

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Josh, it is important that you get in touch with your lDr. The Naltrexone you are going to take needs close supervision..the info following was from a drug web site. Please read.

ReVia Pronounced: reh-VEE-uh Generic name: Naltrexone hydrochloride Why is this drug prescribed? ReVia is prescribed to treat alcohol dependence and narcotic addiction. ReVia is not a cure. You must be ready to make a change and be willing to undertake a comprehensive treatment program that includes professional counseling, support groups, and close medical supervision.

Most important fact about this drug Before taking ReVia for narcotic addiction, you must be drug-free for at least 7 to 10 days. You must also be free of any drug withdrawal symptoms. If you think you are still in withdrawal, be sure to tell your doctor, since taking ReVia while narcotics are still in your system could cause serious physical problems. Your doctor will perform tests to confirm your drug-free condition.

Lexxi, today is the first day of the rest of your life. I was hoping that you had been busy with summer things with the kids. Sorry to hear that you slipped. Start over, you know how the program works. Keep in touch, we love you!

Lorrie, starting over again? We lost touch when you left the halfway house. At least you now have some idea how much better life can be, sober. Post again soon, and keep in touch..you have my email addy?

Sobriety, serenity, and love from Diane.

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 10/19/01
Time: 8:34:21 AM

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This is a good web site for any questions about prescription drugs.

Firstname: Lorrie O
Location: NJ
Date: 10/19/01
Time: 9:05:47 AM

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Hello All!

Yes, today is the first day of the rest of my life and I intend on making the best of it by staying sober. I called my sponsor and she was a little busy so she'll call me back. I sort of found her when I was in the 1/2 way house and related to her in all ways. The only thing is that she was sponsoring another girl there and it wasn't allowed for her to sponsor two of us. Soooooo, when I got out and my sponsor at that time failed to return my calls, I sort of elected Chris. She just celebrated 11 years and she is an addictions counselor. I am very comfortable discussing everything and anything with her. God does work through other people! As far as meetings go, I haven't been back to my home group only because I want to look for another one. I don't feel connected there any more. I guess that's because I let my ego get in the way and don't want the girls at the house to know that I relapsed. As if they didn't know already!!!! I was going an AA convention this weekend here in NJ but they need me to work tomorrow. I decided to go on Sunday after work if they arre still having it. The last convention I was to was an NA convention downtown greater Newaek. I never in my life have been surrounded by so much recovery! The spirituality was overwhelming and I really wanted and still do want what they all have. So, yes, I plan on going Sunday. Diane, I don't think I have your e-mail addy but I know I can find it above. I'll e-mail you later. I just hope you know how much your letters meant to me! Jon, Thanks for having me back! I know you all so well by now and look forward to getting to know all the newbies!!!! I sure did miss hearing about Willie!!

I'm going to my Mother's tonight with a friend in the program for dinner. I haven't had a home cooked meal in a LOOOONG time and am really looking forward to it! I also am picking up the rest of my equipment, stereo and such. I've missed my music alot! I hope everyone has a wonderful sober day and I'll see you all later.

God Bless you all and thanks for being here for me! Love Lorrie

Firstname: Nancy
Location: NH
Date: 10/19/01
Time: 12:35:42 PM

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Hi family - welcome back to Lorrie and Lexxi. Got to the noon meeting today on step 3 – made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood him – it is so comforting to have God (HP) back in my life today – also learned over the years that it was I who had deserted Him, not the other way around!

Am still computerless, so stay well, stay sober and I’ll catch up with you all Monday a.m. when I’m back here at work! Love, Nancy, alcoholic

Firstname: Nancy
Location: NH
Date: 10/19/01
Time: 12:39:16 PM

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Me again - Josh, hope you read Diane's post. Please check with your doctor before taking that drug! Take care, Nancy

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 10/19/01
Time: 8:09:24 PM

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Hi All!

Welcome to all those who are fairly new here. If you've got a problem with alcohol, you're in the right place!

I hope that everyone here realizes that we are dealing with a "Life and Death" situation, and condition. I am only one drink away from possibly throwing my entire life away. I have seen this happen too often not to believe it!

I am going through an extremely stressful time right now, as my wife Rose's grand-daughter is getting married tomorrow. I am Rose's second husband, and many of her original family have not accepted that their mother has a life, even though their father passed away, many years ago.

This causes a great deal of stress, every time there is a "family" get together, and this time is no different. We told Rose's grand-daughter that we would not attend, if that was her wish, and if she thought that it would add to the stress she is already under. Loretta, the grand-daughter insisted that she wants both her grandmother and me to attend. She cried because she knows that her own parents are some of the ones who resisted our marriage vehemently.

It is her day, so we will attend, but only Rose will sit at the head table. This does not bother either Rose or myself, as we are trying very hard to make this wedding very special, just like we do, for all the children or grandchildren's weddings.

We both thank the God of our understanding, each day, that the grandchildren all get along very well, with both of us, and with the idea that their grandmother is very much alive.

As for the children, eventually they have learned that they will not cause us to separate, and have mostly accepted that they are powerless over their mother and my marriage. There is still lots of stress, though, at events like this wedding.

Rose is dealing with this in her usual way, by baking. She has already made 45 pies, 500 butter tarts, and is now making 200 bains (fry bread). We will also let the wedding party use one or two of our Democrat Buggies, to take a horse drawn tour around town with.

We will dance at Loretta's wedding, and will have the honour of being in very good company, with the Bride and Groom, so everything is going to turn out well.

My way of relieving the stress, of course, is writing here. Oh, I also cleaned up the house, since we're having anywhere up to 40 people for dinner, on Sunday.

Thanks for being there for me! Love Ric

Firstname: John C
Location: Penn's Woods
Date: 10/19/01
Time: 8:34:49 PM

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Heard a lead tonight that took me back, by a member who used to tend bar in a place where I used to drink.

Not at the same time, as far as I discern, and thanks to A.A. he has found sober success in other lines of business.

Back then, I worked Saturdays, giving me a day off during the week, and stopped into a bar near practically every errand--grocery, bank, wherever. I drank every day for seven years no matter what else happened.

The one mentioned tonight I remembered well--don't recall thinking of it lately; my sobriety date is 5/26/75, so it's been a few weeks.

Who I remember there on a day-off afternoon was a very a0ttractive Young woman -- a little depressed by a dead-end life --tending bar through dinner, after which she could be free.

Never can tell what might have happened, but what I clearly recall despite all those years was that back then I might have come on like a nice-seeming guy, but there was no chance whatever that I could sit in a bar all through dinnertime without "too many" drinks. We seemed to chat easily, at least two afternoons, maybe more--the memories just fade, drowned in vodka. I don't remember ever leaving the place (meaning I always left drunk), but I made it to work the next day, not so hungover if I got drunk early, with time to sleep it off.

I didn't take the speaker's time afterward to mention this--and can't remember thinking of that bar since, except once when when local publicity tooted that it was sold and the name changed, but it's the same place.

Not much of it comes back to haunt me, and I thought tonight could be a healthy reminder, though I don't hanker to drink anymore.

Doubt she remembers me. Seems like everybody was a drunk in that bar. But who asked me?

Thanks for letting me share.

Firstname: Deni
Location: Romeoville, IL
Date: 10/19/01
Time: 11:49:37 PM

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Hi everyone. Deni here. Steve, you are my angel!! The carpet is dried out, finally. Most of the odor is gone too, but I'm still going to look into purchasing some Zymalive. I'm sure we'll use it down the lins sometime.

Bob, I know this has been a rough time for you but you have found a silver lining. Try to stay positive. You mentioned a son in Illinois. Where does he live? I'm sure you told me before, but I forgot. If he doesn't live too far away we could probably get together. I could give him a shoulder to cry on.

Jo, thanks for the anthrax information.

Lorrie, please don't be ashamed to post here. We've all been where you are. Don't forget, we're all here to help each other.

Lexxi, take it slowly my friend. We're here for you!

Ric, I can appreciate what you're going through with the family functions. I too married into a family that didn't exactly welcome me with open arms. As long as you and your wife love each other, nothing else matters!

Still in some pain today, but I feel better than I did yesterday. I haven't done anything for two days. How useless am I!!?!! Tomorrow I have a boat load of stuff to do, so I'm going to get some shut eye.

Have a safe and sober 24!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/20/01
Time: 7:20:10 AM

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Hi gang...Gray and cool here today..s,pose to get better as time goes on.

John C.... neat to hear from you again...been awhile. I miss "Penns Woods".It is interesting the remembrances we have. After all this time you ran into that girl that spoke. When that happens to me, I always get a hollow feeling in my gut. I guess it is my HP telling me how awful those days were. It probably is good in a way to have those experiences. You have 10 years more sobriety than I do, but I still feel I will need those situations the rest of my life as a reminder!

Ric...I can understand the stress you feel. I feel alcoholics all like to be "liked" and in my case I try to avoid those situations, too. I'm glad, tho, that you are puting the Bride and Groom first, and wish to please THEM. I use to come first and always pleased ME.

I had sort of the opposite situation at Peg and my wedding. My father and mother seperated when I was 7. She always "downed" him every chance she got. I still loved the guy,tho. I have two sisters, and when they were married they never invited dad. I always thought that was sad... I insisted he and his new wife attend our wedding. They did, but only the ceremony, not the reception. It was the first time in 17 years my mother and father were under the same roof. I have a photo of puting my hand on dad's shoulder as Peg and I were leaving the church. One of the good things I did when drinking, as I was well on my way with the sauce...

Those baked goods sound pretty good...Wish you lived closer!

Deni... Dont ever think your useless..All you do? Your very important to me!

Lorrie...do keep in touch, do ya hear?

Josh..you too, as well as any others having trouble in sobriety. You have no idea how much it helps me (us)!!!

Bob...Did you take your computer apart today? Do you get any 911 calls about the anthrax deal?. I bet , in the end, they will find it is some kook in this country like the guy who poisoned the Tylenol and stuff. I am sick of hearing all that nobody knows about the situation!! Iam much more concerned about our guys overseas!

Got chores, so see ya'll later Love Jon

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/20/01
Time: 7:40:47 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Beautiful morning here. It is supposed to get into the upper 70's today.

Ric, I too married into a family that I did not meet up to their standards. But after 22 years I think they have come to accept me and that I am not planning on going away very soon. Many years of getting the cold shoulder and little remarks. Most of them I just blew off and a few times I set them straight, if ya know what I mean. I think it is great that you and Rose will be at the wedding and will bring much enjoyment to the bride and groom. Is it too late to place an order for a blueberry pie?

Deni, I am glad your carpet is dry. Those things seem to take a while. THe Zymalive is also great for pet odors along with mildew smell. Hope you get to feeling your best soon.

John C., it is always good to get those reminders of what it was like before recovery. I was not a bar drinker, hid in my house and made everyones life miserable. Thanks for the reminder of life with alcohol, I don't want to repeat that misery today.

Got a new sponsee last night. He told me he was not willing to do any reading in the book, but would do so if I asked him too. I told him I would suggest several things to him, which was what I did when newly sober. I told him he didn't have to do it if he didn't want to, that it was his choice to live or die and his recovery depended on what action he was willing to take to recover. He said he couldn't go to many meetings, because he was focusing on work. I told him I didn't think this was going to work, for me to be his sponsor because I would insist he go to lots of meetings. I don't know if it is going to work out or not, time will tell. He wants to go to about 1 meeting a week. He did that for about 2 months and drank again. He is now back and is trying to do it the same way that didn't work the first time. Definately looking for the easier softer way by not being willing to do much.

Well, better get ready to do some cleaning. Only have 1 job today at noon.

Lily, I know you quitting your waitress job is a tough thing for you to do, but it sure will leave more time for your recovery and helping others. Sometimes that is much more rewarding than a few extra bucks.

Bob, Paul, Diane and Nancy. I hope today finds you all feeling good. I bet Diane is heading for the golf course.

Jon, do you ever get out and play golf with Peg?

Love to all!!

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/20/01
Time: 9:30:26 AM

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Good morning from sunny WI! Rain on the way though, so have to enjoy this while we have it!

There are just too many great shares here to answer today! But I did read them all, and thank for all that ES&H!

To answer Jon's question, yes, we get all kinds of calls on suspicious powder and/or packages! Of the five departments I dispatch for, only one has developed a policy on what to do with these calls. The other departments just get a squad sent to talk to the complainant, and we let them make decisions on what to do.

I had a good night at work last night. 4pm to 8pm. I am starting to remember all the computer system commands to dispatch the calls properly. My brain isn't as fried as I thought! (G)

I have my open speakers meeting tonight, and for a change, I do have a speaker! And next Sat. and a couple for November already. This is good, as we have not been able to round up people willing to talk at those meetings. I am due to do that myself soon. (G)

If I were to try and answer everyone this morning, I would be here for several hours! So, I will close for now, and just say I love you all! Have a good day, stay healthy, and stay sober!

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: chopper
Location: australia
Date: 10/20/01
Time: 11:22:58 AM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

IT,never ceases,s to amaze me the judgemental bullshit of other humanbeings he's not good enough she,s not up to my standards 'SO WHAT - WHO CARES' I FEEL YOUR 'PAIN' RIC but if it was me I would point to two things! while trying my best to mind my own business and standing in the shadow of some other peoples or persons self righteousness 'THE GROUND' because 6 feet of dirt makes us all one size and my 'DOG' who shows me the one thing a lot of humans don't 'UNCONDITIONAL LOVE' IF all else fails NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS - HERE'S THE SEX PISTOLS WHAT YA DO WITH ALL THE MONEY THEN RONNIE -SPENT IT DOWN THE BLEEDING BOOZER DID'ENT I! HA HA HA

OO-ROO CHOPPER some where over the rainbow!

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 10/20/01
Time: 7:17:34 PM

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Hi Steve I'm so glad you remained firm with the guy asking you to sponsor him. From here it looks like he's just going through some of the motions so he can report the next time he slips that AA won't work,see he had a sponsor and everything.I think you would make a great sponsor,your program is firm and you have something worthwhile to share with anyone willing to walk the walk. Please don't change your values because one guy has not made a proper commitment as yet,as long as you stay with the winners you will be able to help many over the years.Keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/21/01
Time: 5:18:07 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Just stopped in to read before heading out of town for the day. I do want to try to translate Choppers last post for Jon or anyone else that may not have understood.

The Sex Pistols is a band, not a sexual aid. He was quoting the lyrics of a song.

Hi Paul, I have been blessed to work with quite a few newcomers in AA and have made a lot of mistakes. I am a firm beleiver that the AA program works. I know that the BB says we do not have a monopoly on getting sober, but AA is the only thing that has ever worked for me. So if someone wants me to share my experience with them, I am going to try to stick with the 12 steps and many AA meetings.

Gotta Go!

Love to all!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/21/01
Time: 5:40:15 AM

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Steve....Thanks for the translation. I needed that... I wish Chopper would go fishing instead of listening to CD's, or whatever. At least I can understand when he doesn't catch anything. he he he...

BB meeting in a few minutes. Always enjoy and learn from them.

I agree with Paul, I think you would, or rather are, a great sponsor. I had to be careful not to be "used". Had a guy, court ordered, to 6 mos. AA meetings. Went to court to testify he stayed sober and went to meetings. The judge released him and I haven't seen him since....

Anyhow, must get ready ....See you all later....Love Jon

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/21/01
Time: 8:27:51 AM

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Good morning dear friends! I am hoping we get some Indian Summer around here before the miserable days of winter really set it. It has been pretty dreary lately. :-(

All my neighbors Maple Trees have pretty well shed their leaves. On my lawn and driveway. Dang. Time to get the leaf blower working I guess.

Ric, I know you are into natural herbs and medications and it appears you seel them. Do you have a web page about that so I could check it out? My wife wants me to get more of that stuff, so I will do it providing my Drs. do not say it would be dangerous. So far, I am only taking one major Antioxidant supplement.

I have been reading about the benefits of green tea.. Any suggestions?

I have been meaning to mention the cover of the Oct. Grapevine, and I just got my November one. If anyone has the Oct. one, check out the pic of a meeting on a beatiful beach. Hugs circle of people holding hands. I think that is where Chopper and Jennie hold their meetings. ;-)

Had a good speakers meeting last night. The scheduled speaker never showed up, but the guy that was going to speak next Sat. was there, and gave his share a week early. (G) He has been in AA for many years, but relapsed for a couple years. He first came back a couple years ago.

I remember him well as he sat there shaking, very scrawny, and pretty disrumpled. Now, a year ago, he was found to have cancer like mine and Pauls. Done with his treatments, but he takes an oral medication daily to keep the cancer away. When he first started treatment, he was given about 2 years to live. And now, through the help of all his friends in AA, there is no estimate on how long he will live. He looks very good, has his hair back, and says he feels great! That was all good stuff to share, and made me feel good too!

I work 4pm to 8pm tonight. Packers are playing, but we now have a TV in the dispatch office so I can watch the game if things are quiet! Kewl, eh?

I may try to connect from work tonight like I used to. That will be nice to be able to do! Especially when I am working the 4p to 12m shifts. I will be doing a lot of them starting next month.

Nuff for today! Have a great day everyone, and may your favorite football teams win!

Love and hugs from the WOF!

Bob

Firstname: chopper
Location: Australia
Date: 10/21/01
Time: 12:51:43 PM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

G,DAY everyone thought I would just translate my last post as steve said the 'sex-pistols' were a band 'jonny -rotten' was their singer . they came out in the 70's in the U.K. and released an lp called 'never mind the bollocks-heres the sex pistols' they sang about the the general apathy of british youth and controlling factors of the british monarchy and stiff upper lip establishment IE "it's a load of bollocks-ha ha ha ' Because they took the ^$#$$# out of the queen and they way things were in England IE people sleeping in carboard box's out side the hollowed gates of buckingham palace THEIR RECORDS AND SINGLES which were number 1 in the pop charts could not be heard on public radio or seen on tv ha ha ha They went to Rio in Brazil and cut a song on a beach in Rio with the loveable rouge and still on the run from british authorites for his part in the great train robbery 'Ronald biggs" Most of the gang who robbed the train got 30 years each in jail which as Ronnie said was 'A load of bollocks' Bigg's who had managed to stay out of reach of scotland yard for many years while all the time taking the ^%*&^% out of them was reported to have said in classic cockney slang when asked by a british journalist the question 'what ya do with all the money then ronnie"

'I SPENT IT DOWN THE BLEEDING BOOZER DID'ENT I" HA HA HA

The message of the story is you can't please all the people all the time and most of the time it's all a load of bollocks anyway ha ha ha

oo-roo chopper

Firstname: jon p
Location: dallas
Date: 10/21/01
Time: 1:41:17 PM

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I cant seem to put together more than 3 days. I went to a meeting at my old home group, all the old timers have left and its not doing well. I am not giving new groups a chance . I dont know why it is so hard to come back when i know it works. Havent felt this helpless in a lomg time. I am going back to the 90 in 90 shut my mouth and listen.Please put me in your prayers i can use all the help i can get. thnks

Firstname:
Location:
Date: 10/21/01
Time: 3:04:10 PM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

JON P

I am going back to the 90 in 90 shut my mouth and listen.Please put me in your prayers i can use all the help i can get. thnks

Just follow your intentions brother and do the 90 in 90 you will recover again ONE DAY AT A TIME OR ONE SECOND!

Prayers on the way oo-roo chopper

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/21/01
Time: 4:17:47 PM

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Jon P...As Chopper said....Do those 90 in 90..It worked for me as I was a chronic slipper until I Fully committed myself to this program. I heard today in a meeting, "the longest distance is from your head to your heart". I heard that same message when I first came in, l7 years ago. Until I realized with all my heart, I was powerless over alcohol, I floundered.90 in 90 , making AA friends, and getting a sponsor should put you on your way. It IS THE EASIEST SOFTER WAY !!!. Good luck, Jon

Firstname: Kim
Location: Mississippi USA
Date: 10/21/01
Time: 10:40:57 PM

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Hello everyone, Well I'm so glad to be back. My computor died and I lost all of my favorites and stuff that I ussse to look up my stuff. So much has happened I know I won't get to fill yall in tonight . I was laying in bed and couldnt sleep and got up and was going to chat on sober 24 and was doing some more searching and I found yall once again. Thank the Lord !!!!!!! Well I got my 6 months chip on Oct. 15 I was wonderful I am so proud of myself It has been so hard . Staying sober has been the east part. Dealing with life on lifes terms has been the hard part . I still think sometimes how easy it would be to medicate my problems but I think "just look at what a good life I would loose " look at how much I have accomplished and how far I have come . I just dont think I can give this new life up to the old ways anymore . Besides being sober and liveing for God feels so much better. Ill try to fill yall in later on the child custody situation. Still not getting to see my babys . I have a lawyer that dont know a thing about treatment or A.A. and Ive somehow got to explain to her what this program does for you and how it changes your life so she can defend me better . I wish I knew how to get in toouch with some of yall so I could get some of your ES&hope on paper for her to see so she will understand. I just live it I dont know how to explain it . Especially to someone who hasn't got a clue . I cant believe she hasnt ever defended anyone who has been to treatment. Just dont know what to do there. I havent got to read much Ive got a meeting tomorrow after work so it will be late by the time I get to check yall out. any input will be greatly appreciated. See yall Later. Glad to be back. Greatful recovering alcoholic and addict!!!!!!!!!

SO GREATFUL !!!! THANK YOU LORD !!!

KIM

Firstname: Lexxi
Location:
Date: 10/21/01
Time: 11:34:27 PM

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I'm still here, ya'll. Just haven't been feeling well the last few days. Chest discomfort and sometimes palpations too. Can't sleep. Going go to the doc first thing in the morning... I think that d*mned alcohol may have taken a toll on my body. Hoping it's just anxiety though...

Thanks, Lexxi

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 5:12:20 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Lexxi, sorry you aren't feeling very good. I am sure you will get to feeling better soon. Let us know what the doc says. We care!

Kim, glad you found us again. Good luck on the situation with the kids. Just keep your HP close to ya and keep practicing this program and it will all turn out all right. I don't know the results, but it will be alright.

Got up early with a phone call this morning from a friend that my wife works with. She needed a ride to work so we got around a little earlier than usual.

It is still dark outside but it really feels good. About 60 degrees with a slight breeze. Both kids are staying home from school today, Stacy has a sore throat and Adam is having back spasms. Said he hurt it playing tennis last Friday. I talked with them a while this morning and told them to go back to bed.

I see my neighbor opened his garage door, my key to coming over for coffee. See ya all later.

Love to all!

Firstname: Paula
Location: Ohio
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 5:50:36 AM

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Hi everyone - Paula here.

Jon P - listen to these folks, they've got a lot of ES&H to share with you. Keep plugging away at that 90 in 90. You're in our prayers.

Steve - I still don't have a sponsor and I think you'd be great. How about it ;-) (just kidding!)

Finally got my field placement letter from OSU. They're sending me to the Licking County Juvenile Court. Haven't been able to set up the interview yet, so I don't know exactly what it entails.

Kim - glad you're back with us. Can you change your lawyer or is she court appointed? If you can change, I'd go for it. Good luck and you're in our prayers too.

Hey Jim - how ya doin'? Know you're going through a tough time with the divorce and all. Let us know how you're doing okay?

Bob and Jon you both sound great, as usual. You always pick me up!

Deni and Diane? How are you two doing? Deni, glad the carpet dried out for you. Diane, you out playing golf again? It's beautiful here, but supposed to get cold this week. Don't overdo it, either of you!

And Paul - how are you feeling? You are another great source of strength to me. Hope you're doing well.

Lorrie O - glad to hear from you again. Keep trying, it does get better.

Lexxi - hope it's "just" anxiety and the doc can help you out.

Tommy and Josh - how are the two of you doing? How are the feet Tommy? Josh, you still hanging in there? Hope so! Post and let us know how you're doing. We don't bite (well maybe Steve, but we won't let him hurt you) ;-)

You are all in my prayers. You all mean so much to me and my recovery.

(((Love ya lots))) Paula

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 6:11:46 AM

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Good morning all... foggy and then expect sun and 60's. Sounds good. Peg says so too. Someone asked me if I play golf with her. Steve, was it? Answer is no. During my bad years I did, and got too damn frustrated. I just dont have the temperment for it. I dont know how a perfectionist can play golf and stay sober. I couldn't....

Lexxi... Glad your still here!! Sounds like anxiety problems plus booze to me. Been there.... Pounding heart, sweats, all that fear stuff in me was booze related. Hope you are real honest with the Doc, and I bet he can help you. Good luck

Kim...Congrats on 6 mos. That is a great start...As to your problem with the lawyer, my layman's thoughts are, first ..can you get a different lawyer.Ask around in your meetings if they have a suggestion. I got sober with a lawyer, and his sponsor is a lawyer, so there are plenty in the program. I'm sure some members have had a lawyer defend them...Ask around.

Also, You might have a member with some years in the program , that can go with you as a character witness, and could explain how you are doing. I'm sure the judge has had plenty of experience with alcohol cases, and it might help. That's about all I can suggest...I'm sure there are plenty here that have gone thru this with more info. Best of luck....

Steve..If I open my garage door will you come for coffee?

Will try to get back later...Things to do.. Love ya'll, Jon

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 6:54:56 AM

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Kim I'm sure your six months dry feels like an eternity to you but the fact remains it took years to lose your kids and you must realize the courts might want some more evidence of a complete change in your lifestyle.I do not belittle the six months as I remember how hard it was to put that time together for me expecially when my family still remained apart from me even though I was sure I could make it.I am glad today that it took so long to get some type of dialogue going with my wife and kids because had they come back to me before I learned much more about not being dry but actually being sober I'm sure I would have disapointed everyone again.It's a tough lesson to learn that my sobriety did not depend on others to make me happy but I had to live this program for myself before I would be of any use to anyone else.When your priorities are right the world will change for you as it did for me and while it certianly wasn't an easy thing to do the rewards of today far exceed the pain of not having things go my way,I have to remember how rotten my life was when I was in charge and how great things are today,far better than I could have imagined back then.So please try giving life your best shot every day even when things aren't going your way and in time the miracle will happen for you also.Good luck keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: jon p
Location: dallas texas
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 8:38:30 AM

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I have made a decision to at least get a temporary sponser till i find a group to call home. thanks for the advice CHOPPER, and the incouragement.

Firstname: Jo H.
Location: NW Wisconsin
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 10:34:02 AM

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Hi all, A happy beginning of the week to you. Started out well this morning, with another early walk with the dog... I really appreciate her ability to drag me out and get my blood circulating, my lungs taking fresh air. Early morning is truly my favorite time of day. Read through your messages on and off over the weekend, will take me a little time to get to know who is who, tho I must say I am appreciative when Chopper's translator appears ;-) I want to clarify, those anthrax tips in last week's message really were part of an official memo we received at work, but I put them here because I thought they were pretty stupid and they struck me as amusing. If you got a letter labeled "Anthrax" would you shake or empty the contents???? DUH!

Had a great weekend, lots of plans for Saturday during the day but wound up doing practically nothing, a very very long hot bath, reading, listening to music, it was great. The meeting Saturday night went very well, the pigeon from jail and I got there an hour early and the setup crew put her to work, nothing like setting up a meeting to make you feel a part of things, gave me a warm glow remembering how useful and belonging it made me feel when I started doing stuff like that. Come to think of it, once I was done doing the GSR and DCM rounds for a couple terms each, I went back to making coffee, cleaning coffeepots, and stacking chairs and I am very happy with that. After the meeting there was a pumpkin carving contest. Now I am NOT a crafty person IN THE LEAST - the only somewhat artistic thing I EVER do is jack-o-lanterns and I won a prize, best original design. This is an easy one, try it sometime if you are looking for something different, make it look like an aquarium. Only problem was I thought I was done, stepped back and looked and realized my little seahorse precisely resembled a woodpecker, so he became a large seahorse - what a precious gift of the program that I am able to appreciate the humor in that... in the old days I would have been ashamed and thrown it out somewhere where nobody could see it.

Oh, the other good thing about a weekend alone (my son was at his dad's house) was that the TV was never on once. As a Wisconsinite, I am grateful that I did not view a certain football game on Sunday.

Bob, what part of Wisconsin are you in?

Recognize your blessings, friends, and thank you for reminding me of mine!

Love, Jo

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 10:42:29 AM

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Kim welcome back, glad you found us again!! A suggestion , to explain how the program works, loan her a Big Book!! It's all in there. Congrats on your six months sobriety. Keep coming back!

Lexxi, see the Dr., and don't "what if" your pains into something else. I'm glad you got back here, too. Love you!!!

Paula , yes, I'm back on the golf course...not doing bad, either. The exercises have brought some strength back, after sitting and lying around for a month!! See the Dr. this Wed., for a final checkup. Can't believe you haven't got a sponsor!!!You share a lot of e.s.and h with us all. Let us know how the interview goes. Good luck!

Halloween here in S.E. Kansas is celebrated as "neewollah" they even have a web page!!! http://www.neewollah.com Check it out!!

Jon P. the 90/90 is the best suggestion. I am sure in Dallas there are lots of AA groups, so hope you find one that is comfortable.

Windy and cool and overcast in Kansas today...no golf. Boo Hoo!!! Even got to wear my new winter hat the other day....polartech, from Lands'End ( it's up in Bob's country!) so they know now to make WARM stuff!! First time my head has been warm and comfortable for 6 weeks!!

Bob, hope you're doing OK...didn't see you on here this morning.

Lorrie, my email is hudiburg@hit.net Keep in touch Have you been to photoisland to see your pix? Bob always ends his posts with the URL for the site. Any new photos? Either Bob or I can post them there.

"If I remain honest, open-minded and willing, the Program will enable me to rid myself of my self-deceptive attitudes and character flaws that for so long prevented me from growing into the kind of person I want to be." From One Day at a Time, meditations. Sobriety is not just not drinking, it is changing ourselves, one day at a time, and learning to live in a world that does not change. It is up to us to make the effort and sacrafices necessary to stay sober.

Have a good Monday, everyone. Love, Diane

Firstname: chopper
Location: australia
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 11:55:46 AM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

Great feeling to get a 6 month chip hey Kim like paul v says once you make up your mind to live this program NOTHING CAN STOP YOU FROM RECOVERING - ONE DAY AT A DAY - GOOD ON YA!

Lexxi hope you feel better soon but I quite sure Jon I is right about the alcoholic buggy boo's most of us were sick in body mind and soul for a long time - I know I still felt sick at 6 months it might just be 'WET BLANKET FATIGUE' a very common condition in early recovery I had for quite some time just wanted to sleep all the time one second you feel ok the next this feeling of total exhaustion comes over you, my sponser of 40 years standing told me it was normal in the first 2 years of recovery I knew he was telling the truth because you don't get 40 years soberity 'TALKING BULLSHIT' anyway it finally went awy but I was very glad to have this mans assurance.

Jon P glad to see you made the decision brother like Jon I said the longest journey is from the head to the heart [the great paradox - accept total powerlessness over alcohol - to receive your power back] Remember you have an "allergy" to this stuff alcohol RE - READ PAGE 26 OF THE BIG BOOK - it's not a case of morals WE are sick from this allergy in mind and body, of course if left untreated we will in the end turn into ASSHOLE as well against "OUR BEST INTENTIONS " cunning baffeling and powerful HOPE YOU FEEL BETTER SOON!

OO-ROO CHOPPER

Firstname: TOMMYT
Location: SAVANNAH,GA
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 12:02:37 PM

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HEY YALL! How is everyone today? I have not heard from Josh in several days.I hope he is doing ok.Lexxi-Great to see ya back-Do you still have that Big Book that I sent ya?I am doing OK I guess-The feet come & go here lately-I have good days & bad.Having to work 12 hr days here lately so I am on them a lot which is not good for them but I do what I have to.As far as my soberity goes I am still hanging in there.There too I have good days & bad.The bad beiong when I still think of a drink. Why is it at meetings everyone there is always doing GOOD? I rairly hear that someone is having problems with thinking of drinking. Is that true or is everyone just fooling themselves? I wonder sometimes. And lord help ya if you say anything about wanting or thinking about drinking.Then the Pat answer seems to be to keep coming back or go to more meetings. Thanks all for being here.

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 12:43:20 PM

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Tommy....You sound pretty good. Your turning positive! Damn, glad to hear it....

As for thinking of drinking, after 16 years I still think of it. I dont know of others, but watch a movie, pass a liquor store, smell it...all these things and others bring drinking thoughts to mind.

What I dont have is the obsession ( thinking continuously of it), or the compulsion ( where I fight the urge to drink with good ole white knuckles. ) That last was real dangerous, and phone calls were in order. I had tools to fight it.

But , thinking of it?..I do frequently.

Good to hear from you....Good luck, and glad the feet are off and on...sounds better than you were, Jon

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 12:57:22 PM

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Hi All! It's great to see all of the "new" people who keep coming back!

I need all of you, to help me to live in the manner that I have come to accept.

I am continually amazed at the benefits that living the program, to the best of my ability, can give to me.

Congratulations to Kim, on your six months! If you live the program, to the best of your ability, one day at a time, those days do add up.

Our weekend, while stressful, went very well. Our granddaughter is now married, and has begun her new journey. The wedding went well, and over 500 people, family and friends, attended. There was a dance, after the wedding and, even though there was alcohol being served, we had a great time! It was a good reminder, when seeing some family members who could not handle the drinking, of how it was for me, when I would embarass myself and my family, with my drinking.

One of the realities that I had a hard time accepting, is that the program of Alcoholics Anonomous works for those who want it, and cannot be forced on those who need it. The best thing that I can do, in drinking situations, is to live the example. I may be the only Big Book, that someone sees, and I hope and pray that they will learn that it can get better!

Thank you all, for paying this very important 12 Step call, on me! Love Ric

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 2:32:05 PM

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Good afternoon from rainy and cold WI! My, when ya miss a day in here, it takes 2 days to catch up! And that is just great to see the newcomers here!

JonP, you have received some damn good advice already. If you follow it, you will get your feet under you and be able to whup that demon alcohol!

Kim, congratulations on the 6 month chip! That shows you are serious, and want to keep off the alcohol. As far as your lawyer goes, I would say to dump her. Sounds like a loser to me and only interested in her money. Is she a court provided attorney? I know this is hard to do, but you have to convince the judge that she is not looking out for your best interests. And explain why, when he asks you.

But pay attention to what Paul V said too. It may take time. If so, just continue working the program, and you will reap many persons that would testify to what you have changed to since your treatment and AA.

Lexxi, hope you got to the doc. this morning! We do NOT need more sickness to deal with!

Paula, "Licking County"? How did that name ever come about? Ya made me curious now!

And what would you be doing for the juvenile court? I know... I am nosey.. (G)

Hey there Jo! Nice to see you posting now! It is lonely being the only cheesehead on the forum!

I watched the game, mostly at work on Sunday. Sheeeesh.

I live in Delafield, which is about 25 miles due west of Milwaukee. I-94 goes right through the city limits. If ya ever travel to Milwaukee, let me know and we can arrange for a coffee meet at the house here. We usually have 2 pots going all the time!

Diane, nice to see ya getting out on the course again. I bet it feels REAL good! I know I am feeling better, just being able to go to work again! People say my hair is growing, but I look in the mirror, and I look bald to me! Is your hair growing back OK?

Tommy, it sure is nice to see you sharing! As Jon I sez, you sound more positive lately. I bet it's the meetings! They cannot hurt and really are the key to my survival!

Jon, I think about drinking a lot too. I do not want to drink, but I do remember just how much I loved Rum. Oh, what I would give to be able to chug down a few and not go totally to hell! But, we all know we cannot do that, so I just ignore any thoughts about it when they pop up. But I would be dishonest if I said I never thought about drinking.

Ric, on my, you must be part of a huge family! glad the wedding went OK, and glad you could enjoy yourself even without drinking. It sure is nice to wake up sober, and no hangover after going to bashes like that! I never could when drinking. I would start early, and by the time I got to the party, I would be feeling no pain. By the time I would leave, I usually could hardly walk..

One of my dispatcher partners got married last Sat. LueAnn had to work, and I did not feel like going alone, so just stayed home. From what I heard, the people were packed in like sardines for the wedding.. (G) I don't like crowds like that.

Everything is going well with me. I will see the radiation Oncologist on Fri to get all set up for the treatments, which most likely will start next Mon.

We had a good meeting this morning. Positive Attitude group. In my share, I talked about faith. I said that to me, having faith is trusting that all you believe in is true, and not questioning ones own belief. Talked about that for a while.. (G)

LueAnn just got home from work.. Time to go..

Love to everyone! Catch ya tomorrow.

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: Kim
Location: Mississippi
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 3:26:42 PM

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Hey Yall,

Im getting ready to go to my meeting . I really need it bad all day at work I thought I was haveing a heart attach. cheast pains and every thing I realized where my mind was and I figured out that I was killing myself with the pain in my head . You know I was in the thoughts of my babys and was dieing of a broken heart. Soon as I got to the car I had a good cry and rushed in to see what yall wrote and am feeling better. I already paid the lawyer 1500 dollars so it looks like Im stuck with her its up to God to work it out is all I can figure out right now. Thanks for all the advice and Ill see yall after the meeting . I cant wait to get there. Probly gonna cry I always do when they read the 12 steps when Im feeling this way. These steps mean so much to me

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 4:22:44 PM

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Tommy my friend I see you still feel the people that are happy in recovery are faking it,why would we have to fake being content just to lure you into joining us in our misery?The fact being that people that attend meetings on a regular basis do recover and they would love to have you join them.Don't drink,go to meetings and treat others as you would like to be treated and you can be a part of the miracle.Try reading the BB or at least some of our AA pamphlets for further help and when all else fails find someone worse off than you to try helping,"it works when we work it".

Kim you are on the right track when even though you feel so bad you are still getting to where the help is.I would love to be able to make your early pain stop but all I can do is remind you mine stopped and pleasure took over from pain and life is good just stay with the winners.Good luck keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Wendy N
Location: Australia
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 5:24:33 PM

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Hello From Wendy in Australia, Ihave not been using the internet much in the last six months but it is good to see familiar names giving such great support to each other through the slips and falls and challenges of life unconditionally loving. I have had to be realistic with myself regarding the fact of dealing with day to day life straight and sober is not automatically easy and feeling the stress and pain is something I have to get used to as my binge occaisional drinking disguised as social stress relief has caused devastating chains of events in my life.My partner,who hasn't touched drink since overcoming cancer three years ago,refuses to tolerate any further slips .He is determined to have a better life.He does love me but our continued relationship is conditional on me being sober.I guess I sometimes resent that emotional control even though I want to give up permanently.I cannot kid myself that I can be a social drinker ...because I can ! be moderate for a few times BUT for me it is a case of RUSSIAN ROULETTE...I don't know when I am going to wipe myself out and no particular reason may set me off that day.Perhaps some unconcious typical human hurt from the past or maybe boredom,need for a thrill to disrupt the everyday nature of life because I know it will cause me waves.I am trying to be honest with my self and be real...sometimes my positive thinking can get in the way of facing and overcoming the seriousness of binge drinking.Un fortunately Ihad a lot people assume things about me andtell me what was wrong in AA They were totally off the mark and I I resented the intrusion in my privacy.I like these AA meetings for this reason.I have given it a chance ...about 160 meetings or more.Does any one else feel like this?

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 10/22/01
Time: 7:22:18 PM

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Hi All!

Wendy- welcome, there is help in AA, that depends on Principles before personalities. I hope that, by attending meetings, you have been able to learn some of those principles, and can find a way of placing them in your life, for you.

I know that the only thing that I can share is my own Experience, Strength and Hope.

I think that the main reason that I took to AA, so deeply, was due to the fact that AA respects individuality.

We have a common problem, the disease of Alcoholism, but since we are all individuals, we each have to find that we can recover together, by using the Big Book, the Steps, Traditions, and the Fellowship, with others who suffer from our disease.

I hope that you will learn, as it appears you have, that like many of us, you are unable to know what will happen, once you take a drink. That was what had finally convinced me of the fact that I am alcoholic.

I never got into trouble each time I drank, but every time I did get into trouble, booze or drugs were a part of it.

Acceptance of this helped me to realize that this is a Life and Death struggle, and I know that I have seen enough death, due to drug and alcohol issues.

I hope that you keep coming back. Love Ric

Firstname: chopper
Location: Australia
Date: 10/23/01
Time: 3:03:03 AM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

WENDY glad to see ya back darling RIC above is right ya know when we realise that we can't guarantee what the hell's going to happen after picking up alcohol maybe we might just be suffering from the disease of alcoholism only YOU can come to this decision SOME OF US lose arms legs homes and god knows what else until we throw the towel in and seek to find a way out into a better life without the xxxx or fosters.

KIM keep up the good work sweetie IT'S WORTH IT ALL THE WAY.

OO-ROO and God bless

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/23/01
Time: 5:25:30 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Stormy and 71 this morning here in SW Missouri.

Hi Wendy, welcome back. When I first came to AA, I just wanted everyone to get off my back and leave me alone. I didn't realize it at the time, but I had put conditions on my sobriety. As long as everything was going smooth and didn't upset me, it was Ok, but when something came up and didn't go my way, I went back to the bottle. I have seen alot of people do the same thing, and it doesn't work for them either. I do think the unconditional love in meetings is a great thing, but I know for this alcoholic I needed to also decide on unconditional sobriety. No matter what happens or how I feel, I will go to meetings, call my sponsor or AA friends, practice living the steps, One Day at a Time. That is how we receive Experience, Strength and Hope.

I got a phone call from a guy that I have sponsored for the last 4 years. He has been in and out. This time he had about 60 days and had gotten in a relationship a week ago. He had said something about her being selfish and she kicked him out. He ran back to the bottle, again. Unconditional sobriety? He knew what would temporarily kill the pain, but it is just a vicious cycle since we all know things happen that will cause us to become upset, especially early in sobriety. Unconditional love is a great thing for AA to practice. Unconditional Sobriety is a MUST for the individual alcoholic to practice, if we really want to stay sober.

Chopper, OO-ROO to you to brother!

Ric, sounds like the wedding went well. I know that with you and Rose there it made the festivities a little brighter. You are a good copy of the BB in my opinion.

Kim, how did the meeting go? Hang in there, it gets better.

Gotta get to work. Will check back and read the posts later.

Love to all!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/23/01
Time: 6:42:09 AM

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Good morning all...To those above having problems "getting AA"..I went to my first series of meetings in 1956! I can remember my attitude was "this wont work for me, but I will go anyway". I didn't like the people, didnt like the God stuff, didnt like being told what to do, and for some strange reason AA didn't work. I shortly went into the State Hospital in pretty bad condition.

I went thru the same cycle in 1962, 68, and 72. It wasn't until I was 58 years old that something happened, nothing dramatic, except I was caught sneaking a couple of jugs into the house, and my wife said in a calm voice, "Jon, why dont you get some help?" I swear I could almost feel the desire to stay sober fall from my head to my heart!

There was a whole attitude change about AA from totally negative to totally positive. That was the last drink of alcohol I have taken, May 23, l985. All of a sudden, the people in the program changed, the program became believable. I had confidence I could stick with it, and dove in with both feet. I still had problems with the God thing, but learned how to substitute it for the time being and work the rest of the steps to the best of my ability. Eventually I developed a HP that I can understand!

My point in this dissitation, is that the answers for sobriety are all in front of us. It is a matter of "attitude". It is an honest desire to stay sober vs getting drunk.

It is not necessary to be as closed minded as I was. Many have the right attitude the first try. I wasted 29 years of my life fighting the program that I probably knew would work all the time.

I hope you newcomers dont do the same. Take our advice...This program works when you want it to work!!!

Love to all, Jon

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 10/23/01
Time: 6:55:15 AM

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Wendy there is lots of help available at the meetings but it is true there are some there that cause more problems because they too have no idea where they are in life.Just look the crowd over and in a short time you will be able to see the difference between winners and whinners then you can choose who to learn from.For every nut there is a bolt and you can decide who has the most in common with you and ask for their help.As for your soulmate giving you the ultimatum to stay straight or go all I can suggest is sobriety is much better if we do it for ourselves but we sometimes need an extra push from loved ones.With or without him contentment will only show up for you by your working your program and learning how "to handle situations that used to baffel us"Give yourself every chance to grab this miracle bus as seats are limited to those that want "what we have"and are willing to go to any length to get it.Keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Lily
Location: PA.
Date: 10/23/01
Time: 11:22:11 AM

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Lily-alcoholic

Jon... what a wonderful ,HONEST, to the point... keep it simple... AA statement. Your life!!! And your life in AA.!! No wonder I think you are the TOPS!! I do not have the way with words that you and others here have, That is why, I keep coming back here and f2f meetings... this is the way it Works- one alkie helping another. Thanks!! And you are so right on the Attitude issue!

Paul, you always have the right things to say also. You and Jon both sound like a couple guys here that are no-nonsense.. I needed that in early recovery and it does work!! I got mine also from a no -nonsense lady - that has become a great friend!

Steve... hmmmmmmmmmmm, just open the garage door.. I had a neighbor like that at one time- good signals can save a life if needed. To know someones routine, I mean. If they don't do it ... something could be wrong! it happened to me with my Dad once. He had a stroke and was on the br. floor not able to move and I lived down the street .. and was walking my dog, when I approached his house- I noticed the drapes still closed.. at 11:00 A.m. - I knew he got up early - showered up.. opened the drapes.. and went to breakfast around 7:30 or so... I immediately - sensed something was wrong , and sure enough - I found him. Had I not paid attention... he may have layed on the floor till later that day- we( my sis and I) always talked to him on a daily basis, but him being a creature of habit, saved him that morning!! I, to this day have a plan with my next door neighbor. One never knows. Well... Anyway... I hope you enjoyed your coffee- (see how I get carried way, Heh, heh) Good to hear from you as always!!I hope your kids are feeling better, sometimes, I love to keep Jenna home- to bond and "do lunch"- however, since, she NEVER likes to miss school, I do it after school!!Now.. Zane, on the other hand.. loves it, so I keep him home at least once this year!! They are good students and I do not encourage to miss school, but sometimes I feel they need it-especially after all they have gone through this past year.

Bob, I do hope you are doing okay... did you get my message, I sent you??

My Drs. appointment went great- I do not need surgery at this time. I am going to receive therapy 3x's a week... HIP HIP HURRAY!!! That is what I wanted!! Yep - to have massage therapy. And I do believe deep heat!! I will know more later this week!! Seems my waitress days are over.! (G_G_G)

Diane, I am sending you an e-mail.. Love you!! Glad to see you back on the greens!!

Well, got to go running and do some errands, before the kids get home! Later and my love to all of you.

Suggestion only to the new on line that seem to be having trouble getting to meetings or such... CHASE YOUR RECOVERY AND GET TO MEETINGS- LIKE YOU CHASED YOUR DRUGS/ALCOHOL. Keep it simple!!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Firstname:
Location:
Date: 10/23/01
Time: 12:55:21 PM

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copper what about the fucken pepole that have thron in the towl and are sober and still cop lifes shit like in my fucken recovery 3 famaly members die every prick is out to rip me off even when your frends have thone you on to the streat and you have fuch all pricks are still trying to rip you off or that see you a sleep and kik your heade in for fun what about us pepole.

Firstname: Jo H.
Location: NW Wisconsin
Date: 10/23/01
Time: 1:22:07 PM

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To the person above, all I can say is my prayers are with you and so is your HP; try not to give up, better things ARE in store - there are people who have been where you are and have made it, and you can be one of them. Please don't give up.

Love, Jo

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/23/01
Time: 1:54:01 PM

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Yes, no name.. I agree with Jo. It appears to me you were drunk when you posted the above message. In other words, you were not thinking rationally.

Try to call your local AA. It is in the phone book, I am sure. Get someone to help you, one on one.

No one can help you until you want to be helped. And then, you must first of all, be totally honest and admit you cannot control your life, and that you are an alcoholic.

No one here is going to kick you, or take any advantage of you. We will do all we can to help you get, and stay sober. Come back when you can think straight, and we will do what we can. In the meantime, good luck to you my friend.

Love and hugs from the WOF!

Bob

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/23/01
Time: 3:15:42 PM

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To no name. Sounds like you are having some problems. Just because we stay sober doesn't mean that people we love won't die. We call that powerless. As far as having friends that kick me in the head when I am sleeping, I would look for other friends, because those people are not your friends. I hope you come back, because believe it or not, We Care! You say that you are sober, do you attend meetings and have a sponsor? That is what works for me my friend!

Firstname: LILY
Location: PA.
Date: 10/23/01
Time: 4:23:04 PM

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Lily-alcoholic

No Name..... CHANGE... PEOPLE, PLACES AND THINGS!!! IT WORKS! GO TO MEETINGS-- GET A SPONSOR-- IT IS ALL ABOUT CHANGE!!

Firstname: Lexxi
Location:
Date: 10/23/01
Time: 5:27:10 PM

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Hi ya'll,

Yes, I was TOTALLY honest with my doc. A definate first, but I was REALLY scared! She sent me for 24 hour hospital observation and lots of tests. One more test tomorrow as an outpatient. Won't know the whole story until I see her again on Monday, but preliminary results were good.

AA Drs. JonI & OROO's assesment seems right on the money to me now... But when my blood pressure was 190/115, I thought I was gonna die! haha Guess that was alcohol withdrawl... This is my 6th day dry and I don't ever plan on drinking again! But that's what I ALWAYS say. I am totally unable to show any self restraint on my own... Ya'll still got that bottomless pot of coffee brewing? I'm helpless to fix this alone. I'll meet ya by the "decaf", K?

Thanks Lexxi

Firstname: Wendy N
Location: Australia
Date: 10/23/01
Time: 5:43:46 PM

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Dear Friends, Thankyou your words have touched my soul.There is a lump in my throat and I can physically feel my heart thumping with hope that it is really possible for me to overcome this sickness.Your compassion has embraced my pain of past hurts and failure to cope.The world is looking brighter because of the love you extend and share...You are truly successful...this does create world peace..inner peace.You have helped me Thankyou love WWWendy

Firstname: KIM
Location: MS USA
Date: 10/23/01
Time: 10:26:35 PM

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Hello to all,

to the person who is no name. You came to the right place. Keep comimg back. These alcoholics know your pain. I only have 6 months sobriety and in a great deal of pain my self. I will be praying for you.There is happiness to be found with in your self. It is when you can surrender to the old self will of things with a 12 step program which is one of the greatest tools I have found in recovery . You may begin to feel better. I have found that before I could get better that I had to be honest with myself and the terrible things I have done and am suffering consequences because of my actions. It is not easy, but there is help if you seek it just like the others said above here. Well My meeting was good and I got alot off my cheast . I want to share with yall one of my faves out of the BIG BOOK: ACCEPTANCE is the answer to all my problems when I am disturbed it is becausse I find some person, place oor thing or situation unacceptable to me. I love these words and hate em too cause its true. Today after work I had aftercare and met with my councelor and didnt get home til late it was good. You know me I do things the hard way Ill have to wear myself out before I can accept that the situation with my kids "Today" I can do nothing about. Im just thankful to have made it. I guess Im gonna have to feel like this til I see what Gods will is for me and Im afraid of that and afraid that it wont be what "I" want. What did I say : ACCEPTANCE Oh yeah!

Greatful for another Day Sober !!!

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 5:09:09 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Kim, sounds like you had a good day yesterday. Acceptance is a key tool for this alky to remember. Good Post!

Cool front heading our way today. Yesterday hit close to 80 degrees.

I went to a meeting last night and it was good. There are 5 of us that meet every Tuesday evening at someones house. All are close friends and someone usually brings something to discuss.

Bob, it sounds like you are having a hard time getting anyone to speak at your speaker meeting. We have a weekly speaker meeting here and it seems almost everyone has taken their turn. Time to start over again and see how much everyone has grown since the last time they told their story.

Gotta go!

Love to all!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 6:58:06 AM

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Good morning all, one of those transition days where anything can happen, fog, drizzle, showers, sun ,warm etc. I guess Friday, they say that Wisconsin cold front is due and snow showers with it....Oh well...ACCEPTANCE.

Lexxi...I'm glad you realize now what the problem is. I didnt hear you mention meetings...but heard you say "I cant do it alone" Also bottomless coffee...You'll find both answers at meetings. You really DONT have to drink again, at least today...The help is there, and it is free!

Kim... Acceptance is so important to my daily living, and sobriety. But it has to be a real deep honest acceptance, not just thinking the word in my front lobe!

It takes practice, I found to truly accept something, sometimes I have to repeat it. When I get it right, the problem lessens a great deal! I love the short form of the serenity prayer..".If you cant fix it, f--- it!."....or a little more socially accepted..".Oh well".

Wendy, bless your heart...just follow the principles of the program and you cant go wrong. Things might, but you wont!

Steve...Those small meetings of buddies are terrific. When I was still working, I use to go to one at 6 in the morning on Wed. About 10 regulars, and all subjects were discussed. The honesty was outstanding. That whole bunch, as far as I know, are still sober 5 years later. Kewl stuff.

Got to beat it...so love all, Jon

Bob, I haven't said Hi lately...so Hi! J

Firstname: TOMMYT
Location: SAVANNAH,GA
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 7:42:53 AM

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HEY YALL! "Today is the First day of the rest of your life" That simple statement has keep me going a lot in my life. To me life is deppressing but thats me.It seems like for a long time I have felt TIRED down to the bottom of my soul. BUT I keep on trying in Soberity and life. I have not really made what I guess you call a connection to a Higher Power but Im still trying! Blind Faith in anything comes hard for me. For much of my life I have lived by the code-Do unto others before they have the chance to do it to you! These days I am trying to have more compassion for others and to treat others like I would like to be treated-Does that mean I am improving-Hmmmmmmm- Mabe. Thanks all for being here!-LOVE YALL!

Firstname: Jon
Location: WLebNH
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 7:48:42 AM

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Tommy...That's a hell of an improvement, friend....Jon

Firstname: Paula
Location: Ohio
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 8:21:15 AM

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Hi everyone - Paula here.

Tommy - sounds like you got it!

Lots of great posts. Can't respond to all of them. Have that job interview in a couple hours and have to get ready. Been running kids around all morning - twins to the orthodontist, then take cookies for my daughter's class (today is her 10th birthday), then drop off concert clothes for my high school son. Whew!!! I'm tired already (G) Anyway, redid my resume this morning, and have to decide what to wear, so I'll check back later. Wish me luck!!

Love Paula

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 10:08:10 AM

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Hi All!

Good Luck, Paula!

Kim- It sounds like you are growing! Looks good on you!

For the unnamed individual, we do feel your pain. I don't know if you are going to meetings, or if you are just not drinking. It sounds like you are a bit like I was, no home, no belongings, no real friends, but not drinking. I found that even though I had none of those things or people, I had lost them because of my drinking and drugging. When I chose to sober up, it did not make everything better, immediately! I lived for several months, following my detoxing and rehab program, on the streets. I continued to go to meetings though, and found that working the program of AA, to the best of my ability, helped me to find all of the things that I didn't have, when I chose to change my life. Remember, we didn't get to where we are, overnight, it took a long time to get to the point that you are at. It takes time, and a willingness to "go to any length" to achieve sobriety, and to make your life better. I had to change all of my old patterns, because they had not worked!! I had to try my best, to do things that were totally unfamiliar to me, like being totally honest, with myself and others, reaching out and asking for help, when I truly needed it, listening to the advice of others who had already been where I was. I found that even just by going to a lot of meetings, I was establishing a new pattern in my life, and learning about my problems, and facing them!

I sincerely hope that we hear from you again, and that you will do whatever is necessary to find the Miracle of sobriety!

For all of you out there in cyberland, I have learned to Love all of the messages that I have gotten on this forum. Both good and bad days are easier to deal with, now that I have found a program that was developed to save my life, and enable me to become a part of life.

Thank you, for paying this very important 12th Step call on me!

Love Ric

Firstname: Jo H.
Location: NW Wisconsin
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 11:05:50 AM

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Hello all,

Just finishing up lunch break and catching up with you all. Funny, Tom, you and I have been in touch with each other for over half a year now, and I always thought you seemed caring and compassionate... maybe you were fighting it tho, eh?

I think about our friend with no name and the promise that tells us no matter how far down the scale we have gone, we will see how our experience can benefit others - hope I make it to a meeting where he's telling his story in a couple years. LOL - come to think of it - hope I'm still sober in a couple of years!!! Ah well, I will plan to do my best today and leave the couple of years to themselves... that seems to be working so far.

The days are getting shorter but the dog keeps wanting to go out earlier - I don't understand that at all, but am willing to go with the flow... dawn is my favorite time of day to be outdoors, so going out at daybreak or even a little earlier is a privelege to me. This morning it was chilly with a blustery wind and sparse but big fat raindrops - they were smacking against my coat like june bugs. There is a pretty good-sized woods going down to the river at the end of our block - fresh deer tracks every morning and I see deer pretty often - this morning the dog and I noticed the aroma of something large and dead coming up from the woods. Silly me, used to living in the country, I thought about investigating myself... what stopped me was the thought of the dog finding it before I did, and then I got to thinking, and called the PD this morning, figured they were better equipped to take a look than I. Eau Claire is not a large city, but it is certainly not the village with a population of 500 that I moved from recently!

I missed my regular Tuesday noon meeting yesterday, and by the end of the day had 2 scolding emails - ain't it great to be loved? I am so very, very grateful to be sober and living every day instead of dying every day. Wish the miracle could happen for everyone... but then, it CAN, if they will but work for it.

May you recognize the blessings around and within you - always, Jo

Firstname: chopper
Location: Australia
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 12:01:31 PM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

Great bunch of post's above a lot of positive vibes going around about how to live in the solution and not the problem JUST GREAT!

To 'NO-NAME' sorry to hear how you feel at the moment brother but when I got into A.A. I had one pair of ripped torn jeans on and was living in parks and cemeterys THE HOUSE, FIANCEE,BUSINESS,FRIENDS AND SANITY WERE LONG GONE! PREFORMING SEXUAL ACTS IN BLACKOUTS FOR ANOTHER DRINK WAS MY LOT IN LIFE. Yes life can be real hard for the alcoholic but if you think what your going through now is hard 'TRY - DRINKING'

OO-ROO CHOPPER

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 12:23:17 PM

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Tommy, it may sound like a pat answer, but "keep coming back" and"go to more meetings" is the way a lot of us added up a few 24 hours. If you need to talk ;about wanting a drink, then talk about it. Any chance you have a f2f sponsor ? Try different meetings, it will get easier.And try using the group of AA as a higher power, especially those oldtimers like Chopper mentioned...they came up through the program the hard way, and can really help.And, Tommy, thank you for being here for us.

Just realized I was reading Monday's messages....two days behind, already!!

Good point, Jon, that the obsession is gone. I have passed a display of wine coolers in the grocery store, and without thinking, have reached out to pickup my favorite......whoops, I don't drink anymore....I forgot...Duh!!I remember my first exposure to AA nine years before I sobered up...my impression was that "I wasn't like those people"..I just hadn't lost enough, YET.

Jo, sounds like you had a nice restful weekend!! Nice to enjjoy one of those, sober!!! And your prize pumpkin sounds really cute!! Let us know how it goes with your new pigeon...you mentioned drug abuse, also, ..I don't know if I could relate....seems like a whole different addiction, perhaps the lifestyle difference? at least our drug of choice was legal...

Kim, hang in there, gal, it gets easier. Lots of meetings, lots of AA contact. Let us know if we can do anything to help.

Wendy, welcome back. It is not only your continued relationship that is dependent upon staying, it is your LIFE. The only things that alcoholism leads to are jail, hospitals, or death. No much choice for this alcoholic.

Lily, that massage sounds good!!! My shoulders get sore after 18 holes, and I use gobs of Aspercreme....no smell like BenGay. Good to hear from you, I promise I'll try the stop smoking tape!

Lexxi, good deal on the honesty with the DR. Maybe the physical problems finally are getting your attention, and alcohol can only make them worse. Hang on to that desire chip.....one day at a time.

Steve, it was warm here Tuesday, also. Lovely day for golf! Today was our trip to Kansas City( 50 and rainy!), and a CLEAN bill of health, don't need to return again!! The neurosurgeon said that there is very little chance of another aneurysm occuring, and to get on with life!! So, from here on, I will truly appreciate every day!! A hard way to learn what a gift we all have, being sober, and alive.

Paula, good luck on the interview!! I know what you mean about missing a regular meeting....feels like a day without sunshine!!

Ric, every time you post, it feels like a really good 12 th step call...thank you for sharing.

Bob, another round of treatments, I'm sorry. But I know you can take it. Aren't you glad you're sober? Great that you are back to work, at least that part of your life is getting back to normal!!

Shouldn't miss two days on this message board, took so long to catch up that my ISP disconnected, and I didn't even notice!! A nice Wednesday, the sun just came out, tired from the long trip to KC...a six hour round trip, for a half hour appointment!! But worth it!! Bob, by the way, my hair grows SLOWLY this time of year...in the 7 weeks since the surgery, I know have 1/2 inch!!! LOL!!!

Sobriety and serenity to everyone, love, Diane

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 12:55:08 PM

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Good afternoon FF! Cloudy, cold and rainy day here. Tomorrow, more rain predicted, mixed with snow flurries, and 40mph winds. I better get the snowblower all serviced and ready, cause this winter could be a dilly!

Lexxi, hang in there! Today, you are sober for a week, hopefully! Just get to meetings, read that BB, keep in touch with us, and things WILL get better! When you want to drink, just remember the times you did, and what happened to you then. Stay sober for another day, you can do it!

Wendy, as I told Lexxi, things WILL get better! It is hard to believe, but every one of us here has gone through that part of getting sober for good. Just keep on doing what you are doing. Every time someone comes through the early recovery pains, it causes joy for the rest of us. Thank you for causing me joy.. (G)

Kim, good share there! Now, you may not get the kids just yet, but keep on staying sober and it will be easier to get the kids in the future. No court will turn away a mother as long as they have shown they have changed and are continuing with the program.

Steve, yes, we have problems getting speakers. But, just a while ago, I got one for Nov. 17th. That fills the schedule for Nov. I will speak in December, and we have one other day set with our usual speaker who has a lecture series he has done for over 20 years. He has a new topic each month for 6 months, then repeats it for 2 complete series each year. I almost have his lectures memorized, but even so, every time I hear him, I learn something new. Totally amazing!

Hi back at ya Jon! I also started out with a meeting of people where we traded homes for the meetings every week. I dropped out after 2 meetings at my house. First one here, we had 18 to serve the coffee and treats to after the meeting! We expected 10 at the most. Then, the next meeting, we expected at least 15, and only 2 came! I understand that meeting has been disbanded, and they all meet at our club now during the Sunday morning meeting time.

Tommy, you sound better all the time. Glad to see that!

Paula, good luck for your interview! From what I have learned about you in this forum, you cannot possibly fail and will get the job! Just keep some time for yourself!

Ric, another good share! Boy, you are a fine example of what this program is all about! Keep em coming!

Jo, good judgement on checking out the odorous carcass in the woods! I recall the time when working as a cop, and I had to do the same.. Turned out to be an old man, missing for over a month who had passed away in the woods. It was in August, hot weather, and the scene was rather nasty to investigate.. Most likely it was a deer, and possibly one hit by a bowhunter but not recovered. Let me know if I was right.. (G)

Chopper, have ya done any fishing lately? We are still waiting for photo proof.. Even if ya don't catch any fish, let us see what you look like in your boat. I will not get out now until next spring, and hopefully by then I will be in good shape to wade those rivers once more. (G)

We had a good meeting this morning, and after that, I met with the ear Dr. She says that the radiation definitely has made my hearing worse, but the new chest radiation should not affect that part of me. Once I am done with all the treatment, I will have to see about new hearing aids to get back to where I was prior to the treatments I have had. Dang things cost big bucks, and insurance doesn't cover them. :-(

But, it is one great day to be alive! So I appreciate being able to get through what I had to the last 4 months. Thank you AA, and thank all of you in this forum! I love ya all!

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 1:03:29 PM

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Diane, you snuck in on me!

Very great news dear! I am so happy for you to be done with that tribulation!

Everyone says my hair is growing, but it is so fine, it's hard to see! It has my reddish color though, so maybe it will come back less gray. (G)

Love ya Diane!!!!

Hugs from the WOF!

Bob

Firstname: jennie
Location: Australia
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 2:15:20 PM

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Hi all. I agree with Diane, when you miss a few days (or in my lots of days) it takes ages to read all the great posts. Welcome back Wendy! Hang in there no name, it gets better IF you do what is suggested above. Will try to post later and catch up. Glad to here all hair is growing back!! Happy 24. Jennie.

Firstname: KIM
Location: MS
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 6:49:05 PM

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Hello to all, Well another day to be greatful for!! Although it could have been better.I told yall about the cheast pains & stuff . The Dr says its anxiety and blood preasure up too. Wanted to give me some anti-depressants and a little something to help me out. I had to tell her I was an addict & alcoholic and that I didnt want the dope cause I liked it to much and know that if I got some pills Im not going to take em like Im suppose to. That is one thing that got me where I am today. I said no not anti depressants either cause if I my mind thinks I can get high on it Ill abuse it I just cant take the chance today. I got ears& sinus infect & bronchitis got some pills for that I had to call my sponcer to make sure I could take it cause I cant take anything with stimulants in it today and maybe not ever. Got lots of things to put in my God bag today. This is a bag where I write my problems and worrys and give them to my higher power and do my very best not to take em out of the bag but You know me I think there is just something I can do to help God out with and then I make myself a sober drunk and she aint purty meet with the lawyer tomorrow . Lord help me cause she scares me. I got some stuff out of the hazelton site for her to read .Ric can I adopt you to be my dad? I just love the way you think I saw your pics and all of yours on some page I just got there dont know how but I did. Computors really confuse me but I still like em. My thing today is to try not to take other peoples inventory and you better know thats one thing Im good at. Take the cotton out of your ears Kim and put it in your mouth. Hehehe I like that saying. Man thats hard for me. Gonna try just for today!!

Firstname: Lexxi
Location:
Date: 10/24/01
Time: 8:40:48 PM

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My dear AA doctors and peach fuzzy friends(HURRAY! New growth!)... Another day dry. I'm still too sick to even feel like a drink, yet. So, yeah. This makes one week! :) I'm looking forward to seeing my doc on Monday, so we can begin planning a healthy "recovery" together. It was sooo embarrassing to tell her that I am an active alcoholic. I fought the label for sooo long, but I am officially labelled now. Sigh, it's kind of a relief. It was way past time for cat and mouse games. Time to let my phoney pride go too... So here I am ya'll. Just your basic rumpled alky licking my wounds again and hoping for another try at sobriety. This time I'm asking for help. Thanks for all your encouragement so far...

Lexxi

Firstname: Deni
Location: Illinois
Date: 10/25/01
Time: 12:31:00 AM

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Hi everyone. Deni here. It's been a nasty day here. Cold, storms and now it's very windy. The neighbor's garbage is all over my front lawn. I wasn't feeling well and then I couldn't get online. Gosh, it feels like I've been gone forever. It still amazes me how when my life gets out of whack I don't feel the need to run to the bottle. I don't remember when that feeling stopped but I'm sure glad that it did. I did a lot of running around today. I'm wiped out and the pain is kicking up. I'm sorry I didn't respond to posts but I'll try to catch up tomorrow.

Take care and God bless.

Firstname: Wendy N
Location: Australia
Date: 10/25/01
Time: 3:57:45 AM

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This new morning I explored the Rockpool and took photos with my digital camera...it made me feel good and one day I'll have the confidence to share my potential art. Better natural high with no negatives...haha its digital, best wishes WWWendy

Firstname: TOMMYTs
Location: SAVANNAH,GA
Date: 10/25/01
Time: 6:14:56 AM

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HEY YALL! Hmmmmmm-me get better?that would be a first. Soemtimes I feel like I am talking one step forward and 2 steps backward. Jo-it is real easy to be compasionate on the puter, its real life thats hard for me.LOVE YA! Another day in the life and times of TommyTGa

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/25/01
Time: 6:59:07 AM

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Hi all... Cloudy and warm here..showers this PM. Then Brrrrr.

Diane... This may be Peg's last golf day. Sad. She goes thru withdrawal and starts climbing the wall. Then her bridge Biddie League starts, and she's better. She headed for the wrong course this morning I learned after she left. Had to call the one she's headed to and send her to the right one. Ofcourse it's the wrong direction, so maybe she will come home...I dont know, that urge to play must be powerful!

Kim.... Good luck today. It's hard for me to believe your lawyer doesn't know anything about alcoholism. Glad you got some stuff for her to read. If she wants more there is a pile of info on the computer. Just hit "AA LINKS" below and search around. Tell her about this site. She must know how to use a computer.

If you are afraid of the anti-depressants, I'm glad you didnt accept them now. This anxiety and blood pressure stuff will most likely take care of itself, as you get thru this mess and get some good AA meetings under your belt. Just be prepared that maybe this first try wont go your way, but eventually, with sobriety, things will change. Good luck , Kim...

Lexxi...It IS a relief when we get that touch of humility and admit we're alcoholic. Glad you told your doctor and dont have to play- act anymore. That's one big thing you dont have to carry, now.

Actually, I feel the best plan for a basic rumpled alky to recover is meetings, and more meetings. The members of AA, in my judgement are the EXPERTS on alcoholism. They feel what your going thru..something a non-alcoholic cant do.

Good luck Lexxi, cograts on the sober week!!

Deni.. I guess we have that wind headed here. I went to the dump yesterday, so dont have to worry about my trash!! I sure hope you can give that neck some time off and let it heal.. Good to hear from you as always...

Bob.. On getting speakers, we have an area meeting every 3 months ( which in NH is the whole state) and our GSR's all go and participate. Before the meeting we have a "bookie" swap, where all speaker meetings swap speakers for the 3 months. It works great (when they show up). Usually our bookies phone the speaker the day before to remind them. Do you have the same set-up? It works pretty well....

Got to get a hair-cut ( sorry Bob) so better go..

Love ya all. Jon

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 10/25/01
Time: 8:08:23 AM

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Lexie I was public information chair for quite some time in early recovery and often made it a point that we should all be upfront with our drs about our disease for if we do they are better equipped to handle our physical health needs.It is also a great blessing if we can give them some first hand veiws of active alcoholism that they in turn can use to treat others.The medical community is slowly working more with alcoholics and they must be warned that many substitute pills for booze or use both till death do us part,its a very important 12th step call we all should make.Good luck to all I'm still a bit stupid from the anisetic of yesterday I think they may have given me too much but I can think and get around easier than yesterday.I hope to clean out soon as I have an invitation for supper tonight for my son in laws birthday,this wouldn't have happened many years ago as I would have rung up a big bar bill.Keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Jo H.
Location: NW Wisconsin
Date: 10/25/01
Time: 9:41:20 AM

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Hello all, What a beautiful Wisconsin fall day! Snow has been spitting from the sky since last night, and the steady wind is bringing the wind chill factor down to 7degrees F. This didn't slow me down any for my early morning walk with the dog... and I rejoiced at the feel of the wind and the snow on my face - for years, during my drinking career, I truly did not have much sensation in my skin... so now touch is a celebration to me.

Paul, about the anesthetic, I have had the same problem coming out of it, guess we do not handle that stuff as well as normies: after nitrous, my dentist has to give me several more minutes of oxygen than she uses on any of her other patients, otherwise I am foggy for at least a day.

Tom, really, ya think? It's easier to be nice on the computer? For the most part, I believe you are right (tho I bet we both know at least one "virtual" someone who never seems to have a nice day) - a friend said, once, it's because it's much easier to only let you know the parts of me I want you to know. That being said, however, there are personalities we tend to gravitate to over time, and I make it a point to focus on the principles people express to decide whether they are someone I want to get to know better. There are less than a hanful of Internet friends who I have trusted with my telephone number, and you are one of those - taking a risk on embarassing you here, but I will tell ya I admire your honesty, integrity and persistence. Bullsh*t is bullsh*t, online or in person, and it's pretty easy for an expert on the subject to spot.

I started a big, big crockpot full of soup last night and brought it in for lunch at work today... the pot is almost gone and it's not even noon yet! Here I am, an alcoholic AND computer geek, and I am the official social director and attitude adjuster of the Information Systems department. How cool is that?

Keep warm, and may you recognize the blessings around and within you. Love, Jo

Firstname: TOMMYT
Location: SAVANNAH,GA
Date: 10/25/01
Time: 11:33:44 AM

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HEY YALL! Ah Shucks Jo-You are too kind.But thanks anyway.Hmmmmmmm-Soup sounds good. But first we need to get rid of these HOT! days-it was 85 here at noon-YUK! Cool Jo-I am the anti-social director here-lol.

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/25/01
Time: 3:51:23 PM

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Hi Family,

Busy day here at the Ponderosa! Just now getting to go online and read the posts.

Tommy, good to see ya posting more. It seems like old times again. Glad you seem to be feeling better.

Jo, thanks for bringing such a positive attitude to our little group.

Paul, I hope you have a great time at supper with your family. It truly is a blessing to be welcome and loved by those that we affected with our disease.

I am meeting one of the guys I sponsor tonight at 6:30. He called 2 days ago and said he had his 4th step done and wants to share it with me. I spent a couple of hours today rereading steps 4 thru 7 in the 12&12. I don't know if we will make it that far tonight or not. But I wanted to be ready just in case he is. I am excited about it because he has never been willing to do a 4th step, but after his last drinking binge he has been willing to try the AA program this time. Please pray that HP will give me the insight to be of help to him and may say what he needs to hear. Anyway, I am there as long as he needs tonight. May be a late nighter!

Jo, soup sounds g-g-g-g-o-o-o-o-o-d-d-d-d. What kind did ya make. I have been hungry for Beef Stew. I think I will make a batch tomorrow.

Gotta go!

Love to all!!

Anyone heard from Aly lately?

Firstname: Dan H/Alcoholic
Location: North Dakota
Date: 10/25/01
Time: 3:57:02 PM

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Hello FF and friends, Thanks for the shares and for carrying the message. I need them all! They name blizzards in these parts and we got a dose of one over the past two days. It was named Blizzard Al and it turned out to be a record one. You can see further details by going to www.grandforks.com

What in the world does a blizzard have to do with recovery? Sure was a great occasion to drink. Made it far more convenient than having to query my insane mind and justify the drinks. Surely I didn't need to drink because Dan didn't have no problems with alcohol. Of course, blizzard or not, the expert alcoholic finds it pretty simple to establish reason (s) to drink. AA has helped me learn that I drank because of me and I didn't know how to face life and the endless line of challenges each day brings. It was then and even more so today about me changing.

I'm certainly no poster person for AA and don't do it perfectly, but it's awesome being able to accept and knowing I don't have to drink today...no matter what. I pray to my HP in the morning to give me the strength, courage, and direction to not drink today. Self serving...yep. Can't explain it and won't attempt to, but it's worked for several 24-hours. Most importantly, it's working now and today. All the credit goes to my HP and AA. All I have to do is some simple things suggested in the first 164 pages of the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous and it's free!

I sure can remember counting those days of sobriety...1...2...3...4...etc. I'm so grateful to the fellowship of helping me learn that I don't need to count. Just because I was sober yesterday, gives me no guarantee on today. If I'm close to AA, attending meetings on a consistent basis, involved with my home group and sponsor, hanging around the endless line of special friends in my life because of AA...plenty of others can count for me. Sometimes at the beginning of our meetings it's asked if there are any newcomers or visitors. I've been known to raise my hand and say, "My name is Dan and I'm an Alcoholic. I'm blessed to be a newcomer to sobriety today because I've never been sober on this day." Certainly no brilliant credit for me because it's my HP directing the thought and action.

Thanks for the opportunity to share and blessings to all...Dan

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/25/01
Time: 5:41:15 PM

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Good evening! WOF here, reporting in from wunnerful WI. As Jo said, VERY windy, rainy, and some spitting snow. I think I came down with a cold, and feel punky today, so didn't even get dressed. Lounged around in my sweat suit and did nothing.

Kim, good share there! It is wise to make sure your doc. knows you, and you have done that. But, if you medically NEED a medication, and your doctor prescribes it, you should take it. I know that if my cancer gets the better of me, I will not fear taking pain medication.

Lexxi, I am glad you are now being honest with you doctor. That is the only way to go. Good luck to you in designing a treatment! If you are sober, and are honest, you can really make a difference in what treatment you get. I go in tomorrow to get set up for more radiation treatment, which my chemo Oncologist did not advise me to do at first. I assured him I would much rather fight the remaining tumor than just leave it alone, and hope if goes away. He discussed it with my radiation oncologist, and they agreed I was right. (G)

Deni, you have the same weather we have up here. Nasty, ain't it? :-) You have to learn to take it easy for a while! I know. I do the same dang thing. I wake up feeling good, overdo it during the day, and by bedtime hurt all over. It will be better in the future, but while in treatment, I have to accept my limitations...

Hey Wendy, send some of those photos to me via email.. I would love to see them! And, get a good shot or two of yourself, and I will set you up with your album in Photoisland.. (G)

Tommy, despite what you say, you are doing a lot better than you have been in the past few months. Keep it up! I think that you are an inspiration to a lot of people here.. Thank you my friend!

Jon, we just have a list posted at the club for anyone that would like to be a speaker to sign up. As that has not been working all the time, I can see where I need to start rounding them up myself.

Boy, if it was anything like around here, today would be a miserable golf day for Peg! Hope it went OK for her!

What is a "haircut"?

Paul, I think today was the biopsy, right? Whatever, hang in there and trust in the program and all it stands for. It has helped many, many people work through medical crises' including me..

Great share Jo! It sure is nice to have another Wisconsinite on the forum. I was beginning to think I was the only sober one in this state. :-)

Steve, about this time you should be working with your friend. Best of luck to you both! Is there ANY day or night you do not do 12th step work? I doubt it! :-)

Dan, great share from you too! Pure AA at work! Thank you!

LueAnn will be home from work in about a half hour. Will have her coffee all ready for her. She has taken such good care of me the past few months, I feel guilty at time for not doing more around here.. Hopefully, I will have many years to make it all up to her!

Time to go. Love to you all!

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 10/25/01
Time: 6:04:02 PM

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Hi All!

It's kind of wierd here! All around us, there is snow, but right here, we're still waiting. I watched North Dakota, on the news, and if that's what winter is all about, I won't mind if it just passed us by. Ha! Wishful thinking!

I hope that everyone is doing well, and see that many of you are.

Kim- It was great to read your post! I am honoured that you would consider adopting me, but I already consider you a very valuable part of our family, here. Besides, I'm not completely housebroken yet, as Rose would be able to tell you.

My progress, in this wonderful life, is contingent on maintaining sobriety and working the program, to the best of my ability. I have been blessed with more than I had ever dreamed of, and often remember the "Promises" that are found in the Big Book.

We can do, what I cannot!

Thank you all, for being here, for me! Love Ric

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/25/01
Time: 8:32:17 PM

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Hi Family,

Just checked in before going to bed. Thank you all for putting a smile on my face and a feeling of love in my heart. Now a prayer and a pillow!

Love to all!

Dan, good to see your post my friend!!

Firstname: Kim
Location: MS
Date: 10/25/01
Time: 10:25:35 PM

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Hello to all,

I have what I think is good news to share. But 1st I just got in from my sponcers house we have been haveing fun and I got to do what I call my 1st service work. There is goign to be a festival in town and we were makeing beaded bracelets for the fund raiser for the Humane Society gonna set up a booth and try to sell them for a good cause. She is so funny I just love her she knew me when I was useing but we werent friends but our kids go to the same school and I had seen her around, I didnt know she was recovering. Anyway for the news it went ok at the lawyers I talek to her about learning some things about recovery and if she did I thought she would be able to represent me better she just looked at me so weird I gave her a # of a DR. in my home group and he said he would talk to her for me. He said when he came in he didnt have good walking around sense and now has 32 yrs. I found out today my ex has a DUI & DRUG charge against him My lawyer doesnt know yet cant wait til morning to tell her I hope that helps my case. Im not going to count my chickens before they hatch and be very careful with my words. Cause it aint my will is my HP will for me that Im waiting on. Yall pray for me got a hearing Mon in front of the judge for some visitation. What is WOF & FF ? mean . Thank all of you for your support and prayers. May God bless all of you . See ya in the Morning

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/26/01
Time: 5:34:56 AM

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Good morning FF = Forum Family! and from the WOF = Wisconsin Old Fart! (G)

That is good news this morning Kim! Keep the faith dear!

Well, things are wet outside, but no snow on the ground, which is good. I am not quite ready for that yet! Jo, did you get hit with the snow that weather people said was headed your way?

I will leave in an hour or so for my radiation setup. Then off to the dispatch for my paycheck, then back there at 4pm for a 4 hour shift. That will feel good!

Love and hugs from the WOF!

Bob

Firstname: Paula
Location: Ohio
Date: 10/26/01
Time: 6:08:23 AM

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Hi everyone - Paula here.

Good to read all the wonderful posts. Kim, sounds like you might be getting a break there - good for you!! You are in our prayers.

Dan - good to hear from you. A great piece of AA there. Your posts are always right on taget.

Bob - good luck with the radiation set up. Glad your hairs growing back!! Red? Hmm...my second daughter has red hair - still don't know where THAT came from!? :-) She's visiting for a day. Brought her "friend" down to catch a boat (he's a merchant sailor) at Cleveland and drove the extra couple of hours to visit a bit. She lives in Soo St. Marie. (Don't think I spelled that right, but...) Good to see her thought, it's been awhile.

Got the job at the Juvenile Court. They hired me on the spot! Had a long meeting, set up a work schedule for two 6-hour days and one 4-hour day. I start November 13th. Already starting to wonder how I'm going to finish all those papers and finals for school while working three days/week! Oh well, I'll figure it out. I always do, now that I'm not hiding from life in a wine glass! Something AA has given me - my life back!!

Long list of gratitudes. And this group is VERY close to the top of the list! Thanks to all of you for being such a wonderful example to me of what AA is!

Lots of love, Paula

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 10/26/01
Time: 6:13:15 AM

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Hi Bob I had a bit of a rough day yesterday as the nurse that was to hook up my intravenis sedation couldn't get a vein so she gave me a shot and shortly after the anastheasiest(pardon the poor spelling)found a vein and started the drip.They opened me up about 1.40pm and I staggered out of the hospital at 7pm,I'v never been that far under and I was only slightly better yesterday but near normal(whatever that is)today.I'm sure I'll have to wait untill next week to hear the results but we are getting closer.Thanks to all for your prayers as so far I haven't gone balistic and told the medical community how they should be doing their job as I would have in the"good old days"Keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Leb NH
Date: 10/26/01
Time: 7:31:21 AM

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Good morning all... 30's here, so got to bring in my rain gauge...Guess I also have to drop the storm windows....Oh, bother!

Dan.. Good to read your share. Icant get too much of that stuff!

Peg didnt play yesterday. As I said she went to the wrong course, and had to head in the opposite direction to find the girls. It was over an hour away, so she came home. The gal that misled her felt guilty about it , and brought us a real fat hot apple pie last nite. Damn, I like that... Had Wisconsin cheese with it. Bob.. My haircut doesnt take long...So thin, but tickles my ears. You'll find out!

Kim.. Sounds like your taking the right steps...It's in your HP hands..so prepare for the worst , and hope for the best. I'll be a fly on the wall in the court room. Look for me. I have a greenish tint.

Great news from you, Paula... I lived in Sault Ste Marie, Mich. ( called the Soo) back in my bad bad days. Ended my stay with DT's and pneumonia. My first hospitalization.

Seems you have a tendency to overload...but it sounds like good stuff. Just remember H.A.L.T !

Paul...I sure wish you the best. I hope you can keep busy during the waiting..That's what drives me ballistic. I know you have a lot of support here, and bet you have a lot there. Time to stop giving and start recieving!

Ric...We usually get our first real snow around the last of November. But could be anytime. I kinda like it when it's all around me! Actually we need rain bad to fill some wells before the ground freezes.

Always enjoy your messages. Like Paul, I feel you are one that has "it" (what ever that is). Sounds like you really came up from the pits of society!. A miracle of AA.

Got to do some winterizing, so tata....Love Jon

Firstname: Jo H.
Location: NW Wisconsin
Date: 10/26/01
Time: 9:31:42 AM

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Friends,

Always good to read what you share. I can't thank Tom enough for pointing me in this direction - I find myself coming here once or twice during the workday, as a break, and my whole day is brightened. Another cold, blustery day, snow still spitting from the sky, guess I will sit back and enjoy it... no use complaining or letting it get to me, there are many months of it to come. I am looking forward to the weekend - tomorrow afternoon we (son and I) are headed to a family concert/ celebration to benefit Habitat for Humanity, then what I think is my new home AA group "Saturday Night Alive" after supper - and after the meeting, a dance. The meeting is open speaker, so the boychild will go with me to both. Sunday morning is church, and sometime over the weekend I need to carve a couple of jack-o-lanterns for home.

The soup was an experiment with good results - bought a package of 15 kinds of dried beans, threw out the seasoning packet, used half of those and a handful of bulk rice pilaf-stuff with long grain white, brown and wild rice as well as dried carrots, celery and leeks, threw in half a handful of barley and 2 cans of diced tomatoes, covered it all with chicken broth, and seasoned it with chopped cumin seeds (never used them before -mmmm!), minced garlic, cilantro, and fresh-cracked black pepper. Oh, then I threw a whole hot pepper - little round orange wrinkly one, the store didn't say what kind it was) - on top. Cooking has become so much fun for me, part of the celebration of freedom (the ex-to-be is strictly a meat-and-potatoes man). I even got the son to try cayenne pepper on some chicken this week!

I look around at all that I have, all that I do, all the freedom I have AND the fact that I am able to enjoy it - NONE of this would have happened without AA, and the miracle just keeps on happening.

May you recognize the many blessings around and within you this day. Love, Jo

Firstname:
Location:
Date: 10/26/01
Time: 12:22:53 PM

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Is there another area where I can talk to someone about my friend going through this. And yes, honestly it's a friend, not me. He is have a very difficult time and I just need to know the words to say to him. Thank you!

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/26/01
Time: 1:16:46 PM

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Hi Family,

Hi No Name. It sounds like you have a friend that is having a problem with his drinking. Is he trying to stop? Does he have a desire to stop? If so, look in your local phone book and call the # for Alcoholics Anonymous. They will have someone contact you and will help. If he doesn't want to stop drinking, I suggest you contact AA and ask about Alanon meetings for yourself. Thanks for caring! Some of us didn't have anyone that cared anymore.

Jo, you sound like one heck of a cook. My family wouldn't know what to do with soup that had that much stuff in it. Hehehe.

Paul, sounds like you had a rough couple of days after the doctor visit. I will keep ya in my prayers.

Paula, I don't see how ya do so much stuff. Your plate sure is full. Thank God you are sober.

Kim, sounds like you are doing the next right thing. Keep it up and watch for the miracles. I feel there will be many!

Jon, maybe you ought to have Peg's friends give her the wrong directions on a regular basis. I love deep dish Apple pie, but I would rather have the cheese on a sandwich.

I have spent the day with AA friends. We went to the hospital to visit another AA friend who had surgery in a last ditch effort to save his legs. Hopefully it will work. He is a good man, and is 1 month younger than I am. He has been sober about 90 days and is pretty scared. Will go back tomorrow and see him again.

Jo, sounds like you have a good weekend planned. I hope you and your son have a great time. Let us know how it goes!

Tommy, I got a new graphic equalizer for my stereo yesterday. Been playing lots of records. It sure sounds good. Wish you could come over and listen with me. A friend this morning came by and listened to it and he suggested that I play for a dance this winter. I would love to do that, so I may keep my ears open.

Bob, you amaze me with your attitude. Even if you do have red hair. Hehehe. I wish we lived closer, cause I am sure you would be someone I would want to hang around with. You my friend are a winner in my book. May your hair grow in Red and Full and down to your (well you get the picture.)

My son is suiting up for the football game tonight. He says he won't get to play which I am glad since his elbow is still not healed from the dislocation a few weeks ago. They have 2 games left and I really hope he gets a chance to let it heal some more. He is looking forward to playing Basketball and doesn't need to start into that injured. He is 18 and will do what he wants, but I do make suggestions an support his decisions.

Gotta go. Thank you all for being here for me.

Love to all!

Firstname: TommyTGa
Location:
Date: 10/26/01
Time: 1:40:10 PM

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HEY YALL ! Cool Steve-I wish that I could hear it too.HEy Steve I found a great music download site for the puter-Interested?-Let me know-it is all FREE!-thats the best part.I downloaded a bunch of Beatles & Bob Seagr songs.Later yall!

Firstname: Lorrie
Location: NJ
Date: 10/26/01
Time: 3:26:02 PM

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Hello Family,

It's been a few days since I last posted but here I am and am staying sober one day at a time. Just wanted to check in before I left for a meeting. I just spoke to Kathy to see if she wanted to meet me at Honesty House but she has plans so we have a tentative date for Sunday night to go on a haunted hay ride the to a meeting. I have finally pulled myself out of my funk and am dealing with things without the use of the medication that the Doctors prescribed. I don't recommend this for everyone but for this alcoholic/addict, popping pills for just about anything has been a major trigger. I have always had something in my body and I really want to see if it is clinical or just circumstantial. Don't get me wrong, if I feel I need something, I will ask for it but I want to get to know Lorrie for Lorrie, not masked by alcohol or pills. My counseling sessions resume next week and I'm surrounding myself with a lot of sober, positive people. Work is going well and am making money. All in all, things are looking up. I hope everyone is doing well and I will be back this weekend to catch up with you all.

Diane-New addy is lorrie.go@worldnet.att.net

God bless you, Blowing kisses in the wind, Lorrie

Firstname: Lexxi
Location:
Date: 10/26/01
Time: 4:38:20 PM

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Hey ya'll,

So good to read ya! Well, my doc appt was bumped up to this morning. The outcome of all the tests? Well, let's just say that Dr.s JonI and Chopper can pick the prize of their choice within the winner's circle! Seems as if I'm just a... a... an alchoholic that was going through withdrawls... haha And yes, that is GOOD news!!! My lovely Dr. and I discussed recovery at great length. She gave me a referrel to a substance abuse councelor and wrote a couple of Rx's. Don't worry, Kim. I can't get high on any of them :) We have a follow up visit in a month. That was her part. My part is, don't drink, go to meetings, and be as honest with the councelor as I have been with her.

TOMMY! Yes, I still have the BB ya sent me and have been reading it AGAIN...

JonI, meetings? Yes please. I had it all worked out to go to a meeting in the same town as my doc appointment today. I drove in circles for a good 20 minutes looking for this place and asking people if they knew where it was. I finally ended up at something similar to a town hall where they told me that group hasn't met for quite some time. The building had been demolished 2 yrs ago!!! Sigh... Ya think someone could update the local When and Where? That's ok. They'll be other meetings...

Paul v, Hope the anesthesia zombies fall off ya soon. You are right about docs needing honesty from us. She was so interested in active alcoholism and verbalized a need to understand so she can better help her patients. I really like this doc. At one point she said that I must not be very dependant on alcohol if I can quit for periods of time. I was quick to tell her different. I used this analogy; That my alcoholism is like childbearing. In the midst of it, I swear I'll never do it again because it hurts so bad. But once I'm feeling better, the memory of the pain fades. And if the lights are nice and dim and the music is playing just right in the background, then that thing starts looking pretty good again...

Gotta scoot, Lexxi

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/26/01
Time: 6:40:55 PM

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Hey FF! Signing in from work! (G) I have to work from 4pm to midnight tonight due to a sick regular dispatcher, and it is fairly quiet so far...

Paula I KNEW ya would get the job! Good for you! Just don't overdo it now.. (G)

Paul, sounds like ya had a rough one yesterday. I had a lot of problems with the chemo IV's. They just could not find a stable vein in one shot! Took about 4 pokes every time. I was beginning to feel like a dartboard! Was your session for the biopsy?

I know the waiting is rough too.

I went in for my fitting on the upper body cast to hold me still for my radiation therapy. I will start that on Wed, for a "dry run" then go in for the zapping every day except weekends for a total of 42 treatments. Today was a real pain.. Lower back is screwed up from last Tue. when I was emptying the 6 kitty litter boxes in the basement. I had to lay on a hard table without moving for over a half hour, while they programmed the radiation target into the computer by using a CT scan on me for exact location. Interesting procedure! Much less intrusive than the radiation for the brain tumor!

Jon, wish all I had to do was lower the storm windows. The house we are renting has the old fashioned wood frame storms that weigh a ton! Hate that chore. :-(

Jo, that soup sounds great! But right now, I am rebounding back to where all food tastes pretty bad. Only thing I ate so far today was some pretzels. And they started to taste like dog food, so am laying off food til tomorrow.. (G)

No name, best of luck with your friend. Steve said it very well. (He always does.) (G) Follow his advice and you cannot go wrong.

Steve, thank you for those kind words! I do my best to continue with a positive attitude, and at times it's real hard. That is when my AA friends always come to my rescue! Both on line and face to face. I may miss a lot of meetings in the next 2 months, as my treatments are scheduled for the same times. Gonna be a bit rough, but I will try to find other non-conflicting meetings to get my buns to!

I sure hope your friend recovers OK Steve. My mother in law is worried that she may some day end up have her legs removed. The latest Drs. she has been to though, seem to have helped her a lot! Her knees had a lot of cartilege to be removed. Guess that shows that somewhere, somehow, there is a doctor that will be able to help you.

Lorrie, nice to see you posting again! Keep on doing what you need to do, and things will change for the better!

Diane, I have not had a chance to check out that MIDI file yet. Will try to get to it tomorrow. I have not even played my keyboard since last June! Once I get going, will try to get some more WOF MIDI into the computer. I need to install a program to be able to record that stuff first. It is not an easy program to use, so it may take a while!

Things picking up here, so have to close. Love and hugs to ya all from the WOF!

Bob

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 10/26/01
Time: 6:47:43 PM

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Hi Lexxi glad to hear you shared with your Dr. this can be the start of something great with you explaining how we con everyone including our doctors then she will be better prepared to pick up on other problem drinkers and you could be called as an advisor for the new person.Great move and continued good luck,keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Deni
Location: Romeoville, IL
Date: 10/27/01
Time: 12:07:51 AM

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Hi everyone. Deni here. Kim, it sounds like things are turning around for you. Whatever happens, keep your chin up!

Bob, you are one of the bravest people I know. You seem to handle life's troubles with such dignity. You are always in my thoughts.

Paula, congrats on the new job. I know I've told you this before, but don't forget to take time for yourself!

Paul, I'm sorry you are going through this difficult time. I will continue to pray for you.

Jo, that soup sounds wonderful! It sounds like you enjoy cooking. I cook once a year if I have to. Hubby does all the cooking here.

Steve, sorry to hear about your friend. He will be in my prayers. Don't worry about your son, I'm sure he'll heal quickly.

Lorrie and Lexxi, you both sound like you are taking some positive steps in your lives. You are strong women and I'm proud of both of you!

Jon, you always talk about Peg golfing. Don't you golf? For some reason I thought you did.

I've been cleaning house today. We've got company coming over tomorrow. I tried not to do too much today. The pain from the tumors in my ovaries seems to subside if I rest once in a while. I went to rehearsal tonight and did nothing but sit on my butt and watched the choreographer teach the girls their number. Well, gotta run. I still have a lesson plan to do.

Take care and God bless!

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/27/01
Time: 6:46:57 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Deni, good to see your post dear. Try not to overdo.

Went to the high school football game last night and liked to froze. It wasn't really that cold but I have not gotten used to it yet. Woke up this morning with the sniffles.

It got down to 29 here this morning and is supposed to be in the 50's this afternoon. Raked the leaves in the front yard yesterday since my maple tree is bare. Now will just have to tend to the neighbors leaves as they blow down to my end of the cul-de-sac.

I have a small cleaning job this morning at 10am. Then at 11am. my brother is coming over to watch the OU vs. Neb. football game. He is a big Okla. fan and had to have his cable TV disconnected for financial reasons. I plan on taking a nap this afternoon after the game. Woke up to a phone call after midnight last night and couldn't get back to sleep until after 2. Then up at 7. Still kind of sleepy headed this morning.

Gotta get to moving around. Don't forget to set your clocks back an hour before going to bed tonight.

Bob, how did work go last night? Any drunks causing mischief?

Love to all and have a great weekend!

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 10/27/01
Time: 7:12:01 AM

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And don't forget to change the battery in your smoke alarm!!!

Good morning all!! And a special one to Lorrie and Lexxi. Sounds like you're doing the right thing, gals!!

Bob, I know what you mean about the hard table..that is tough!!Hope this session is easier to take. You are in my thoughts.

Lots to do today.....cleaning windows before it gets too cold...and am glad to be able to do it!!! Steve, only down to 40 here this a.m....we must be a little south of you!!LOL

Back later. Love, Diane

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/27/01
Time: 7:23:15 AM

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Good morning all, Clear, cool, fall morning.

Lexxi..Great post today. Yes , it sure helps when were honest with our Drs. As Paul says, you can be a great reference for others. A chance to do some 12th step work!

I Know, how discouraging it is when you have a mind set to go to a meeting and it aint there. Maybe if you call AA first, and ask to speak to someone in the program, that they can tell you where current meetings are. If your system is like ours, we get an answering service that sometimes has out of date schedules. They will call a member to call you back, if you ask. Sounds like your off to a great start!!

Deni... No I only play golf on the computer. I have 16 courses intalled that I can play. I use to really play, but couldnt stand the frustration. 'couse that was during my drinking days, and never did try it sober. I dont think it fits my temperment...

Bob...We use to have those wood frame storm windows for a house we owned in the 60's. 3 story job. Had to carry the suckers up a ladder and screw them on. Talk about back problems!!! I hope you at least have a one story house..

Dont gain any weight after the body cast is made. There sure is a lot more to this zapping than I realized. Glad you told the Drs to get that pea!! Sounds like you are ready to apply for your medical certificate now.

Lorrie... Sounds like you are really trying to find your REAL self. It was tough for me to do because I didnt know what to look for.However, if you start getting into "stinkin thinkin" be sure to get some med. help. It's OK, as long as it is nothing that is an "upper". I use Zoloft myself and it seems to take the edge off my low times...

Steve... I love your posts.. all the 12th step stuff you do is great.. I envy you in that line. I use to have the opportunity to do a lot when our treatment center was in town, but have only occasionally had the chance since they closed it down. It was a big part of my program at the start. I do get a few "answering service" calls now, and that helps some.

Hope your son's elbow is OK for basketball...He is quite the athlete!!

Well, time to sign off. I will play a round of golf, either Pebble Beach or Harbortown. hmmmmm decisions!

Love all, Jon

Firstname: Lily
Location: Pa.
Date: 10/27/01
Time: 1:41:09 PM

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Lily-alcoholic

Hi all... just checking in.. so good to see everyone here.. it makes my day. There are so many posts- I have a hard time remembering who said what, and I can't even start to answer anyone.. I keep having to back scroll.. (G).

Everyone here is out tricker treating, except Jenna- she is an anti Halloween believer, so she went to a church youth group function... they had some kind of doings for the kids instead of going house to house. It is safer also I believe. My son, Lance, took Zane and half the neighborhood boys!! He is so good with his kids, I am very blessed- for he is also one of us!!! What a long way he has come. We DO make good parents after all... don't we??

Bob, God bless you and all you are going through- you keep such a good postive attitude with you.

Paul, I am pulling and praying for you also, I can not imagine all that you are enduring also.

Diane... Steve- it is about 38-40 degrees here also, my son took the kids to our H.S. last home game last night and they went through about 8 packets of hot chocolate when they got home...... BRRRRRRRRRRR!!! Too cold for my blood, I hibernate when it gets below 50. Give me a blankie and a cup of fresh coffee .. all winter and I am happy.

Jon..I can't even imagine you with a temper. You seem so even tempered and sweet... although, so am I..SOBER!! I was a wild women and quite nasty.

Deni... take it easy , my dear, do mnot over do it. A;ways good to see your posts.

Lexxi and Lorrie- Great to see you back here!

Tommy... Seger and The Beatles???? Where?? Speaking of the Beatles, I saw Paul on a talk show the other day... never paid him any attention before( I was never a Beatle fan).. What a wonderful person and such great "Character"- I was really impressed, he was so down to earth and respectful of everything.

Well, I just got home from work a while ago and it seems I am getting no more kids knocking... I guess the time is over- till next year ( not at all the same as when I was a child) We went for 3 nights and never had a worry in the world!! Such a shame. I am so frightened for our world and our next generations.

Good day and bless you all. Thanks Steve for the reminder on the clock turn back thing!! Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Wake me in the Spring.... heheheheheheh!!!

Firstname: Lexxi
Location:
Date: 10/27/01
Time: 7:42:23 PM

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Hey ya'll,

Found a meeting tonight. Drug myself there kicking and screaming, 'cause I hate driving at night, but I'm glad I went... It was the right thing to do.

Raised my hand, asked for help, and walked out of there with 4 women's phone #s and lots of hugs.

Funny, it wasn't nearly as hard as I made it out to be before. lol They were all so nice about it. Guess they really have been there, done that...

The "we" part of the program, maybe?

Thanks, Lexxi

Firstname: chopper
Location: Australia
Date: 10/27/01
Time: 8:42:37 PM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

Good on ya Lexxi, Keep doing what you are doing and it will all work out in the end.

00-r00 and god bless chopper

Firstname: Deni
Location: Romeoville, IL
Date: 10/28/01
Time: 12:41:49 AM

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Hi everyone. Deni here. Bob, I hope the zapping doesn't take too much out of you. Vicodin is a good pill to take for pain. I had to watch myself cause there used to be the desire to take more than I needed. Take it easy.

Steve, I hope you got your nap. It's terrible when you can't get back to sleep after being awaken in the middle of the night.

Diane, it's funny how the simple things in life mean the most to us when at one time we took them for granted.

Jon, I prefer Pebble Beach to Harbortown, although I like the 18th at Harbortown cause I like to hit the boats with the golf balls!!

Lily, I'm with you. When it gets cold I just want to curl up under a blanket and sleep until spring. That or sitting in front of a roaring fire.

Lexxi, you sound like you're doing well today. We're with you!

Chopper, always good to see your posts.

We had Harry's daughters and his mom and brother over today to celebrate all the October and November birthdays. There were 6 to celebrate. We had a nice visit. I sat around most of the day because I woke up with a nasty back ache. It feels better now. I put on my tens unit and that helped out alot. Just getting old, I guess!

Have a safe and sober 24!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/28/01
Time: 6:29:02 AM

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Hi all ...Gray cold day....Good day to watch the Patriots blow it.... Altho they are doing better without Bledsoe.( What a name for a quarterback)

Lexxi, I have a smile on my face after reading your post. Everyone told me AA's were compassionate and willing to help and I wouldn't believe it until they did. Good For You!!! Just dont forget to use those numbers when things get antsy!.. WE HAVE been there...

Got my BB meeting this morning. The extra hour sleep didn't help. Woke up at 6 and Willie was right there ready to start the day. Gues he doesn't know too much about clocks, altho he does amaze me about some things.

Deni... I played Harbortown, and shot a 4 under. That 18th is a test. I always end up in the mud flats. Do you have computer golf? Lots of fun!

Well must get going, shop first, then the meeting. so, see ya'll later, Love, Jon

Firstname: Lexxi
Location:
Date: 10/28/01
Time: 7:06:19 AM

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Lexxi's Epiphany of the Day-

My old friend, alcohol, has lied to me. It is not now, never was, and never will be my friend. Quite the opposite. This nemesis would gladly kill me, if given another opportunity. Maybe slowly by taking away my self control, self respect, and isolating me from a nucleus of loving friends, family, and even God. It would glady remove all professional respect from peers and perhaps even my profession itself. Beyond that all livelihood would dwain, just beyond my reach. Death may be slow and torturous with multiple hospitalisations and great physical suffering. Or alcohol could choose to kill me quickly, a simple heart attack or stroke would do the trick. Either way, it's ultimate goal is quite evident. Distruction of body, mind, and soul. It's as demanding as it's twin the green eyed monster. If it can't have all of me, no one else can have me either. Some friend!

NO THANK YOU!! If I wouldn't stay in an abusive relationship with another person, why should I stay in one with a bottle? I'm walking. No looking back. No remorse. I'm not loosing any thing, but gaining everything...

Thanks, Lexxi

p/s Jon, I'm hoping to use those phone #s BEFORE things get "ansey". It might be easier to call during the "ansies" if they weren't strangers by then...

Firstname: Jo H.
Location: NW Wisconsin
Date: 10/28/01
Time: 7:06:42 AM

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Dear All, I should have known better than to wait so long before I checked in here... so much happens over the course of a day! It's Sunday morning, I'll be getting ready for church shortly, but it's a rare and luxurious time for me, since my 11 year old son is still asleep. I usually walk the dog around dawn and come back to find him up and talking (and talking and talking!). Last night we went to my regular Saturday night meeting; this is an opne speaker meeting, so he always goes with me. Afterward there was a Halloween dance (by the way, the 12 pounds of hot wings I made to take along were a smashing success). I love to dance... it was not something I did drinking, standing up was more than I could handle sometimes back then... and it was the very best time (in a group of people) I have had in a long, long time. My son has grown up going to AA functions (he is 11, I have 19 years of sobriety AND AA) and this was the first dance that he actually danced at!!! It was so wonderful to see him start to come out of his shell! And the men there were all having such a good time, everybody was dancing "like nobody's watching" - what a great example for a child!

Bob - about dead stuff - the smell in the woods was coming from the remains of a bunch of wild turkey cleanings some hunters must've dumped down there. My 18 year old son, a fly-fisherman who ties his own flies, was upset at the waste of the wing feathers - he gets wings whenever he can, matches up pairs of feathers (the same position from the right wing and left wing) and sells the ones he can't use, which would be lots of them... you can get a lot of flies out of a pair! HOWEVER when I came home last night I noticed the neighbor at that end of the block was out at his truck, shining the woods. Guessing a little shady bow hunting does occur in the area!

Well all, I need to get going, have to make myself presentable and roust the boychild for church. Rest of the plans for today include the laundromat (:-P), buying sneakers for him and work shoes for me (I am a programmer/analyst) and then I think I will treat us to a first-run movie at an actual theatre... I don't think I have ever taken him to a real movie! Usually it's the budget cinema and a movie that's been out for 3 months!

There is so much I admire in so many of you. It's hard to direct personal comments to everyone, but please understand that I sincerely find strength and wisdom in your experience. You enhance my sobriety (and therefore my life) with your words.

May you recognize the blessings around and within you on this beautiful day. Love from the WYF (Wisconsin Young Fart?????), Jo

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/28/01
Time: 7:14:31 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Lexxi, I am glad you made it to a meeting and asked for help. Our disease seems to attack us alot thru fear and pride. What a strange combination. It was suggested to me to go ahead and pick up the phone and call the numbers, even if just to say Hi and thank you. Made it easier to do it when I was feeling a bit squirrelly and really needed to talk.

Jon, that extra hour came in real handy for me. I slept in for the first time in over a month. I hope your meeting goes well this morning.

I chaired the meeting last night at my home group. Started out real small-5 people- and before it was over there were 15 there. Topic was brought up on having sudden thoughts of drinking. I don't know of any alcoholic that is trying to stay sober that has not had such thoughts. I used to hate those thoughts, but have found out that they have really helped me strengthen and enlarge my meaning and commitment to the 1st step. I still don't like to have such thoughts, but they do seem to serve a purpose for me.

Went to the hospital to see my friend that had surgery and he is doing much better. Got all the tubes out and starting to eat liquids. He thought they would give him some solid food today and see how he got along.

Bob, will you be able to work that many hours and take your treatments at the same time? I know you will take care of yourself, right?

Jon, 4 under is awfully good my friend. How many times have you shot under your age? You may be setting a record for the Guiness Book of World Records. Would you like me to submit it for ya?

Gotta go.

Love to all!

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/28/01
Time: 7:19:42 AM

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Lexxi and Jo. You snuck in on me while I was posting. Have a great day!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W LebNH
Date: 10/28/01
Time: 9:14:17 AM

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Steve....Computer golf is fantasy.. dont thgink Guiness recognizes that, but thanks, Jon

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/28/01
Time: 10:32:57 AM

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Good morning family! WOW! So many good shares, I don't know how I could respond to them all, so will just scroll up for a ways, and start from there, in the middle of em all. (G) If I miss anyone, it ain't cause I don't love ya!

Jon, yes, we have a one story house. But those storms are huge and heavy. We have to put them up or take them down only when no wind is blowing.

I will not gain any weight til I am all done with the treatments. In fact, LueAnn is worried because I keep losing weight. Not good for me I guess. Speaking of that, we decided to put off going out for supper tonight, until my appetite improves. I want to celebrate with lobster tails. I haven't had that in years, and hate to spend 30+ bucks on something I cannot eat once I taste it!

Lily, our trick or treat night is tonight. So I guess we best stay home after all.

And I am with ya about hibernating! I have always thought it would be great to just go to sleep Dec. 1st and wake up April 1st each year. The older I get, the worse I like cold weather. (G)

Lexxi, glad you got to that meeting! See, we were right. After the first one, it gets easier!

Deni, sounds like you had a good family get together. When I had all our kids here, it was truly a great event for us. Because of my drinking in the past, it never happened. And now, it was good. (G)

Yep, that Vicodin seems to work pretty well! So far, I have only been taking one at night, and one in the morning. Makes that lower back pain go away much better than Tylenol.

Hope your BB meeting went well Jon. We had the open meeting last night. Speaker was a no show, so just had an open meeting. I used our Positive Attitude format last night for that one. We had one fellow show up in the middle of the meeting, and when it was over, he told us it was his first meeting, and he was a drug addict. He also felt pretty nervous, as he was a black man, and there were no other blacks there last night. I put him at ease, and showed him the meeting listing, and another gal there sat and talked with him for about a half hour. Hope he comes back! One of our NA meetings is a huge one, and he could benefit from that one, I am sure!

Then we had the Recovering Couples meeting, and had a good turnout there too! We had 7 couples for that. We are going to try more meetings, by making them every second and 4th Sat. each month, then also the 5th Sat. on those months with 5. Will see how it works! The topic last night was "Doing things together". Timely for me. I have not done much at all with LueAnn for almost five months now other than shopping and our camping trip. Hopefully, we will improve on that!

Great second share Lexxi! You are on a roll! Just keep it up dear. (G)

Jo, (WYF) :-), great share there! Of special interest to me is your 18 year old. I have been a fly fisherman since 7th grade or so, and have always tied my own flies too! Mine are not fancy at all, as I believe that looking "buggy" is the most important thing. Has your son fished for steelhead and fall run salmon? I missed all the runs this year, but plan on doing a lot of it next spring and fall. If interested, I would be glad to fish with him. There is nothing like catching a 15 pound steelhead, (rainbow trout for the non fisherpeople) or a 25 pound + salmon, or a fall run Brown trout of about 12 pounds, on a fly rod! Show him my fish in my album Jo.. It should get him going!! (G)

Steve,sounds like your meeting last night was a good one too! But then, aren't they ALL good? I get something out of every meeting.

My work schedule is all set up for Nov. I will be working mainly early shifts, and the treatment is in the mornings, so there should be no conflict. I am hoping I can handle it!

At least I can log onto the forum from work at times! That will be great to be able to do during slow times. I can just bring up the CAD screen whenever I get a call, so it will not interfere with my work.

Now I have to get used to the time change. I hate that! I dunno why it is still done. Not very appropriate for the modern day, IMO. Let us just keep one time. (G)

Time to get dressed. We need to get out to Wal-Mart and get the candy for the kids tonight! And, that will probably help ME get some weight back before it is all gone. (G)

Love you all!

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: KIM
Location: Ms
Date: 10/28/01
Time: 12:20:05 PM

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Hello to All,

Well Yall Ive had a very intresting weekend. My ex brought my son to see me hes 2 and my ex spent 7 hrs at my house while I vivited my son I hope he sees the pain hes causeing I told him this would all backfire on him. He knows what kind of mother I am and sees the love I have for my babys. I could see the pain in his eyes but this is something he feels he has to do and as I have learned there is something for him to learn from all of this. I was very surprized at my self I wasnt hateful toward him was nice to him as I would have been to my own husband with limitations ya know. I know where I got the power to do that today. My heart was broken when they had to leave of course my baby told his dad he didnt want to go he wanted his mama I was crying & they did gently take my baby from my arms and I still have tears in my eyes But I just know God is going to get me through this. Today is the day for which I asked and for which I have been given strength. I have been given strength. That in itself is a miricle. In my old life, I constantly endangerd my self and others. So the very fact that Im alive ia the greatest miricle, provideing I continue to do the things that have brought me this far in my neew life. I am greatful that I have been given this day. And Im sober. May I always believe in miricles too. Please keep me in your prayers and my kids and that I will get in to see the judge that is not a guarantee. Givein' it all to God. I am nothing without him & A.A. Thank all of you for listening to me

P.s. I got some new phone # too.

Firstname: shymary
Location: md
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 6:22:25 AM

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Hi everyone, Shymary here. I just had to checkin with you guys and tell you about an amazing AA experience I had last night. Since you guys got me into this thing (insert grin here) I thought it only fair that I share.

I have been picking up women in a local treatment facility to take to meetings, and last night I went to pick up one women, and two others came along. I knew all three and for the most part they had just been coming along to get their slips signed off. It was a double header night. The first meeting was a BigBook meeting and one of the girls stood up and got a 4 month chip and another got a 2 month chip. I was very proud of them. The next meeting was a Beginners meeting where I'm helping the new Chairperson get used to her job. (She's only 19 and scared to death so I sit next to her and hold her hand if she needs it and prompt her when she freezes.) All three of the women that I brought volunteered to speak and then spoke truely from their hearts, tears and all!!! I was stunned. I've never heard any of them speak, muchless volunteer! When we got into the car to go home, the radio was playing the Beatles/Lennon "My Sweet Lord" and I said "Now isn't that appropriate?" and we all started singing. Then all three women started talking a mile a minute about how much they wanted to change their lives and what they were going to do and what they were not going to do. It was a truely amazing experience and my heart was in my throat for hours afterwards. I have never witnessed such a power. I know that they may go back to just getting their slips signed, but that night will always be a reminder to me of how AA can work.

And.. (yes there's more) I had finished my fourth step yesterday afternoon just before the meeting. It had confused me for months and suddenly I understood it and finished it up. I started it in panic and fear and finished it calm and cleansed. Any newcomers reading here, stick it out! It's not all good or all easy but there are some truely mindblowing things that can happen in this program! Talk about your emotional high!!!!

Kim, Hang in there. I lost my child to an ex and lost my mind until I found AA. Pray and go to meetings.

For those of you who have lost track, I will have one year on Dec. 5 (celebrating on Dec. 11). and I didn't think I could go a week!!! lovemary

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 6:38:22 AM

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Talk about forgetting to set the clocks back.......I took the old battery out of the smoke alarm, and then forgot to buy a new one......CRS I guess!!

Lexxi, it sounds like you have got something going: go to meetings, get some phone numbers, don't drink!! Good plan. You sound much more positive!!

Bob, glad the Vicodin is working well for you. I tried it, and all I got was sick to my stomach..took several tries, with the barf budket, before I realized that it was not a pain med I could tolerate!! Slow learner. Glad to be over all that!! Only take sudafed now, the dry leaves seem to start the sinus problem going. Have to get that fixed one of these days. Not in a hurry, have seen enough of the medical community for a while.

Mary, nice share!! How much we can learn from newcomers!! It is really a miracle when someone realizes how wonderful this program is.

Another windy day, but warmer..will get some golf in when the wind goes down. Our yard is a mess.......walnuts all over, and they aren't good to eat. So the squirrels are happy.

Hope everyone has a sober, serene Monday. Love, Diane

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 7:23:23 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Mary, your post brought a big smile to my face. It is a miracle when we see new people let go and begin to share. They may or may not stay sober, but they will know that AA works, if they are willing to put forth the effort. That is up to them and their HP.

Also, congrats on the 4th step. It took this alky a year and a half to do it. It was such a relief when it was done and shared with someone. That is when a lot of recovery began for me. I hope you come back more often and post, we miss ya and love ya!

Diane, I think the wind is going to be strong all week, but the temps will be nice. Maybe you can play golf, just keep the ball down out of the wind, unless it's at your back.

I couldn't dial up this morning. Server couldn't be found. Finally got ahold of ISP and they had me totally shut down my computer. When I brought it back up, everything worked fine. Go figure!! Anyway, glad it wasn't Brensonized!! Hehehe.

I have a big work day today. Will not get finished until around midnight. No jobs for tomorrow, yet, so I can get rested up then. I am not really looking forward to that much work today, as I am not as young as I used to be, but the $ will be good.

I hope everyone has a great day.

Love to all!

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 7:32:16 AM

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To all the newcomers and retreads please reread shymary's post and try to visualize that acts like this happen everyday and everywhere,miracles are common in AA as I can attest to being just one of over two million miracles living the AA program one day at a time.Its available to anyone willing to change the things within themselves that they can and the road to recovery opens up for many of us.I have been so blessed to become a member in good standing in AA simply by not drinking,going to meetings,reading AA literature and trying to treat others as I would be treated one day at a time.Good luck all keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 7:44:34 AM

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Good morning, and a great one...Went down to 20 last night but should hit mid 50's today. Shut my outside water off just in time...

Diane...I think Peg is golfing today.50s is her limit.

Bob... yea, we had a great meeting yesterday morning. Read "The Man Who Mastered Fear". My fears during drinking were not as severe as his, but I had all I wanted...Great story of working back into life after losing all. Long story but lots of good stuff.

Kim... It must have been a tough day for you, in one way... But you sound like you are accepting the situation well. Keep up the good work, trust in your HP and I bet neat changes will come your way. I have that feelin'!!

Shy Mary...( didn't you start by saying just "shy girl?) Boy , you are doing great stuff. What a neat share of feelings we get when helping others!. Even if the three girls dont quite make it, I bet a good seed was planted that will eventually blossom. It is a great feeling to help someone that has, or is, going thru what you went thru.

It doesn't end there. Two people were at yesterdays BB meeting that I feel I helped 10 years ago. I know I cant take all the credit, but damn , I was in there. The girl was a lost soul, when I first saw her. She kinda took me as a father figure, and we had long talks. I use to drive her to meetings, as all she had was a beat-up P.U. truck with one light out. She lived in that truck.... She finally got a job with the electric Co., (which aint easy), and just recently is going back to college and is starting a dept at the big hospital here, Dartmouth-Hitchcock Clinic.

The guy, chaired the meeting, and faced 5-7 years in prison eventually. Andy, my buddie, and I took him under our wing, and the same thing happened. And no prison.

Two success stories, and I still get a glow that maybe I had a small part in their recovery. So, after about 10 years, that feeling is still there!!!

I wont forget your anniversary, as Dec 5 is my "belly-button" birthdaY. Keep up the great work..

All for now, Love ya all....Jon

Firstname: Jon
Location: WLebNH
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 7:49:21 AM

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Hi Paul and Steve....You got in there while I was slowly typing. Hope all is well! Jon

Firstname: Jo H.
Location: NW Wisconsin
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 7:55:01 AM

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Dear All, Another beautiful, sober morning. It's a great start to the day to read what's appeared here overnight! Mary, wow, coolest share!!! It is a source of constant wonder and gratitude to see the miracle happening in the lives of others - and what a gift it is that HP used YOU as a part of carrying that message! This, I believe, is where we begin to realize "that feeling of uselessness and self-pity" is beginning to disappear, and "no matter how far down the scale we have gone we will see how our experience can benefit others." A great part of my amends had to be to the God of my understanding and to the world in general; I spent my drinking years NOT living up to my potential to good, and as the ol' timers told me "If ya ain't part of the solution, you're part of the problem!" That being said, of course, we alkies generally have to try and keep our egos from getting carried away - practicing gratitude is what helps the folks whose state of mind I would like to live in. And realize, of course, that though you are loved and useful and His instrument, if for some reason you were not there to do the job, He would find someone else. He is, after all, God - and we are not!!!

Keep passing it on! Will write later and let you know about my WONDERFUL weekend.

Love from the WYF (teehee), Jo

Firstname:
Location:
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 9:44:26 AM

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Steve, thank you for getting back to me. Yes, he has been going to meetings and really wants to stop. He has been doing good for three month and I was so happy for him and tried to keep encouraging him to do his best. He had admitted to me about something that he started to do again and I was a little disappointed and didn't know what to say to him. Then he went out and drank one evening last week and I really didn't know what to do. It involved me because we were supposed to do something and he never showed up to get me. I really don't know what it's like to have to go through something like that. But he is my friend and I do care deeply about him. I want to say the right things to him. Thank you for your help. I would prefer to be NONAME "LB". Thank you.

Firstname: chopper
Location: Australia
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 11:56:02 AM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

Thanks MARY so nice to see someone getting a buzz out of their recovery!

oo-roo and godbless chopper

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 12:10:01 PM

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Good afternoon from sunny WI! 58, calm, and nice and sunny today. I should be working on the leaves, but the neighbors trees are still full, and once they fall, they go right to our yard, so will wait.

Kim, each day you work the program will improve your life. In the future, you will have a relationship with your son again, I am sure. Just keep on doing what you are doing!

Mary, it is so great to see you still with us! I had been with the Forum only a month or so, when this person posted asking for help. We all had to pound real hard on her to even tell us her name. And then she said she was shy, and then shy Mary, and was scared to death to go to a meeting. And now, look at you! Boy, how I remember us all telling you to get to that first meeting!

It is really wonderful to hear news like that Mary! Congratulations on getting that 4th step done, and triple congratulations on your work with those other gals! Even if they slip or relapse, they know the joys of AA now, and eventually they will be back. But it sure sounds like you got them on a solid foundation! I am really proud of you! XXX

Diane, hope you can get the golf in before it is too cold out! But, I have a suggestion for ya. Take that driver out, and have at those black walnuts! Just think of the fun you could have. All that squishy black juice flying all over the place when ya swat them! I hate them myself, but the squirrels love the dang things.. (G) We have 4 huge black walnut trees on the lot line, and of course, they fill our yard with the nuts. :-(

I hear ya about the sinus. Seems like I will never breath right again! Have to take Tylenol Plus to clear myself up about 3 times a day. Sleep is almost impossible without it.

Steve, I learned a long time ago, that no matter what problem I get with my computer, a total shutdown and reboot will cure about 75% of those problems. Of course, my skill at Brensonizing has produced problems that only a whole new format and install of my system will get me back in business...

Hope you don't overdo it today. That sounds like one heck of a long workday and would just about knock me out. Remember HALT. But then, you will not read this until after mid. so my suggestion is moot.

Yes Paul, these miracles happen ever day! I see them at the club, and at every meeting I go to, there is always at least one or two that get my attention. We had a good turnout at this mornings meeting. Positive Attitude, and there were some great shares to start off my week. (G)

Boy Jon, great share this morning. Another example of the miracles happening! Hopefully, I will still be around in 10 years to see some of the newbies I have known are still around too! Sad to say, some I have met have already left us, but I am hoping they will some day be back. :-(

Hey Jo, your shares are always so heartening! I am looking forward to reading about your weekend!

NonameLB, please try to get to an Al-Anon meeting. You will learn so much on how to deal with your friend! The people in Al-Anon have all been through what you are going through, and can help you a LOT. Trust me! My wife is a solid Al-Anon member now, and she has learned so much about alcoholism, she has been a great help to me.

You have to accept the fact that your friend may not be ready for AA yet, and until he totally surrenders to his HP and admits he is powerless, he will not be able to last long. But above all, DO NOT BLAME YOURSELF for his drinking. It is a disease, and not something any of us want to have. We have to learn to live with it, and continue with AA to stay sober. Good luck to you both!

I am tired, so I think I will just take a nap. Hope I am awake when LueAnn comes home. She worries about me all the time, and if I am not at the door to great her, she panics!

So, the WOF and his doggie bid you a fine day, lots of love, and catch ya all later!

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 12:25:40 PM

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Hi Noname LB.

I didn't know if you were going to come back and post again. One question I have is whether he has a sponsor in AA? I know for me, I was eaten up with guilt and shame for the things I did when drinking. Sounds like your friend may hve been experiencing the same thing and began doing what he knew was wrong again. He couldn't stand the guilt and drank again. That is where a sponsor can help greatly. We don't get the booze off our breath and suddenly do everything perfectly. We all make mistakes, but then we use them as experiences to learn by. Encourage him to get back into meetings and get a sponsor. Then he should use him after he finds one. Many of us have not gotten sober on the first try, so hopefully he will not give up and learn from his mistake. People don't fail, they quit trying!

I got 3 jobs done so far and have 2 more large ones left. Back is already stiff, so hopefully it will hold out until the day is finished. I think if I could lose some of my gut it would be easier on my back. Hehehe. I love those little chocolate donuts!!!

A beautiful day to be sober and enjoy God's will today.

Love to all!!

Firstname: mary
Location: md
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 12:33:26 PM

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For the record, I don't feel I did anything special for those girls. I was just grateful and pleased as punch that my HP allowed me to be able to witness it. I think it was more of an AA miracle for me as a spectator then for the girls/women themselves. Last nights experiences were just something I was meant to see and feel in my heart. And boy, did I FEEL it!!! Thanks all. Takecare, lovemary (shy)

I went back into the archives at lunch today, to when I came here first. I was one scared miserable little drunk. I do sound alittle better now....

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 6:58:52 PM

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Hi All!

Wow! It's one of the most powerful things that I can think of, when you get to see a "newcomer" having any form of "Spiritual Awakening." Sounds like there's been a few going on!

As has already been said, even if those folks return to drinking, they have had a taste, of AA and sobriety. I have been told that one good AA meeting will ruin a person's drinking.

Just admitting that "I" was powerless over alcohol, and "My" life was unmanageable, spoiled any further thoughts of "controlled" drinking, or other forms of insanity.

I think that we are all farmers, in the sense that we are each planting seeds, that sometimes grow, and other times help us to grow.

I haven't been around for the last few days, so it took quite a while to catch up. Some very good, powerful, posts here!

It's Rose's birthday today, and we have been very busy. For the first time in years, her children remembered her birthday! With a little encouragement from me, (I asked them to at least phone her) they have all contributed, and bought us a vacation, to Montreal, in February, as her birthday present.

We have enjoyed ourselves there, in the past, and when her daughter called to ask me to be a co-conspirator, I recommended the location.

Just as AA has an effect on those around us, living the example of our wonderful program has effects on all of our living situations.

Also, we got some wild Turkeys, today, but they escaped when we got home. Now, we have two Turkeys roosting somewhere in the bush. If they sive till tomorrow, we'll be trying our luck at being Turkey wranglers.

Thank you all for this very important 12th Step call on me! I hope that your day is going as well as mine.

Love Ric

Firstname: Kim
Location: Ms
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 9:51:44 PM

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Hello To All,

Well I hope yall are sitting down. Today I was powerless over my situation. I went to court with no expectations, But the whole way there I had my mother reading to me in the car and was doing my meditation for about the 3rd time in 3 hrs Lots of praying and my HP took controll of the whole situation. By the time I got there I was glowing like a sun beam. I felt a joy in my heart and at the time no harshness towards any one. I didnt even see the judge and I got visitation and the week of christmas and thanksgiveing and 3 phone calls a week. And I even get to pay child support. All I had to do was a little footwork and it worked that tells me Im doing something right for a change. I am so greatful to my HP I have to give him all the credit cause he held my hand through it all. Boy was I climbing a mountain. and came home and was calling everyone telling the good news and What did I do I let my guard down and got caught up in it all and someone took my power and kicked me off my mountain. I fed into the trap the one they didnt even know they were setting up for me and I really lost my temper. But thank goodness I woke up in the situation and shut my mouth and walked away. Went straight to my meeting and got my self brushed off and back in line and had an apology waiting for me when I got home. Ain't life grand!!!! Works if ya Work it if ya dont you die. Thanks to this program Im still kickin' Where can I go on here to get some of your e-mail addresses?

Mary(shy)- I really like what you shared I can wait for things like this to happen in my life. I know when iits my time it will happen. I like the way you think about things. Can you tell me more about your Experince with your child if not Ill understand I havent ran into anyone who is going through what I am and would like to learn more.

sO BACK TO ONE DAY AT A TIME AND ONE MINUTE AND BREATHE I forget to breathe sometimes. I still have so much work to do and it overwhelms me at times I know I cant rush this but I want to get better. Progress for today not profection. Im just so excited and like the changes I want more!!! I find my self getting in the way of my HP and have got ot stop.Thanks for all the prayers and ES&H I look forward to learning more from you wonderful people. Im wathcing yall so keep it comeing. All this & no booze or pills .

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/29/01
Time: 11:20:00 PM

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Hi Family,

Kim, I am happy things are turning out well for ya. It is amazing how things work out when placed in the hands of HP. Keep doin' what your doin' and you'll keep gettin' what your gettin'.

Ric, tell Rose I said Happy Birthday. Sounds like a vacation to Montreal is a great gift. How do ya catch wild turkeys? I hope ya get them wrangled before the wolves do. Probably won't be much left of a wolf wrangled turkey.

I just got home about 10 minutes ago and me aching back is really stiff. I wanted to read the posts before getting a hot shower and hitting the pillow. No work scheduled for tomorrow, yet. Hopefully the phone will ring and something will come up. Anyway, it will happen if it is supposed too!

Bob, are ya working tonight?

Love ya all!! I will say a little prayer for ya before going to sleep.

Firstname:
Location:
Date: 10/30/01
Time: 6:05:52 AM

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Hi Steve, To answer your question, yes he does have a sponsor. I talked to my friend last night for 2 1/2 hours on the phone and he got a lot off of his chest. I absolutely see a difference in him when he is sober. I have only known him since May, but got to know him more and more as time went on. I was hurt a few times by his actions not realizing at the time that he was facing something that was out of control. He avoided me for two months, then he reentered my life with a new outlook. He was doing great until last weekend when a friend of his came over with beer. This friend doesn't know that he has been trying to get sober. So, the temptation was there, he drank and it's history from there. Thank God he made it home in one piece. But he told me he doesn't like the feeling anymore. I just need to keep encouraging him that he will be fine, fight that demon! It's easy for me to say that because I don't know what it's like. I just want to make sure I say the right things to him. I did order information from the Al-Anon site. He doesn't know that I am on this site. I am sure he would appreciate it, but the fact that he is the topic. I am just trying to understand,listening to what you all have to say. Every story that I read is very inspirational. All of you are wonderful, helpful people. Thanks you so much! NONAME LB ps - is there a way I can talk to you out of this forum? Can I have your email address. If you don't want to post it, that's understandable.

Firstname:
Location:
Date: 10/30/01
Time: 6:17:30 AM

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Hi Bob, I am sorry, I didn't even see your message until after I posted mine to Steve. Thank you very much for the advice. I will just continue to pray that he finds what he wants in life. Thank you again. NONAME LB

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/30/01
Time: 6:38:13 AM

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Good Morning Family,

I sure like it getting light earlier. I slept like an overfed baby last night.

No Name LB. You are welcome to email if you would like. Like was suggested above, it would benefit you greatly to attend some Alanon meetings. They are the sister organization of AA and is designed for people in your situation. My eamil addy is: sfpritch@4state.com In the mean time keep reading the posts here and find a meeting. You will be glad you did! Call the local AA in your area and ask when Alanon meetings are held and where. This world is full of people who are going thru and have gone thru the same thing you are dealing with. You are not alone LB.

Kind of stiff in the back this morning, but feeling good otherwise. Tonight is my meeting in the guys home. Last week, no one really had anything specific to talk about, so I am going to find something today for discussion. Don't know what it is yet, but will keep my eyes open.

Paul, how you feeling today? I very much enjoy reading your posts as they are filled with much recovery and hope. But I am also concerned about your health and how you are doing physically. Please keep us informed. We care!!

Jon, Pegs golfing days look to be about to wind down. Do the women instantly jump into the bridge mode or do they give it a rest for a while? You don't have to serve them little finger sandwiches while they play do ya? Hehe. Just kidding of course. I sure miss Lawerence being here. He brought a lot of laughs to many of us.

Chopper and Jennie, are you guys still keeping company with each other? If so, give each other a hug from me. A guy that exchanges email with me in OZ sent me a list of recipes he wanted me to try. The only problem is, we don't have the stuff around here to make them. Lots of different ingredients from Thailand and stuff like squid. I think I will email them on to Jennie, maybe she can make sense of them.

Gonna sit outside and watch the birds for a while this morning. Then run some errands and pay some bills. I think they are about ready to shut the water off if I don't get them some money.

Have a good day everyone and do something for your recovery today.

Love to all!

JB, I will check my email later today if you want to write me.

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/30/01
Time: 7:56:31 AM

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Good morning all..45..windy, but sunny. No golf today for Peg. Cleaning lady day, so it will be windy inside , too...

Ric, Do you rope a turkey? We have some in our area as they introduced them some years back. I have yet to see a wild one, but they say there are plenty , now. Do they taste the same as domestic ones?

Love your posts. Your days seem full, something that I have not accomplished. I KNOW it is the best way to keep out of one's head, but I DO have trouble with the motivation... Good share. Have fun in Montreal..

No Name JB..Steve has the best answer for you...Alanon. I have heard wives and husbands of alcoholics truly learn how to live, and help their significant other thru their program. That program comes as close to understanding the alcoholics sickness as anything I have heard of. His saying, he doesn't like the feeling beer gives him anymore, is a clue that he may be really getting serious. Nothing spoils ones drinking more than AA meetings ..patience .

Kim.. I am so happy for you. Sobriety and faith sure seems to work for us. My only suggestions are...Easy Does It..dont expect everything at once. Things take time to work themselves out. Watch for situations like "falling off the mountain". That is where tolerance, and acceptance comes in. I dont mean to preach, but I dont want you to get trapped in situations where I have seen problems. Good luck, your doing great...

Oh yeah...Ric , Say Happy B day to Rose for me..

I know I had other things to say, but the cleaning lady is here and I cant think and yak at the same time....Jeeeez..

Love ya all, Jon

Steve....Take care of that back. Too many back problems here....J

Firstname:
Location:
Date: 10/30/01
Time: 9:29:04 AM

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Hi Jon: Yes, I do believe that he is serious now that he totally blacked out, doesn't remember driving home, doesn't remember anything. He said that he thinks God was letting him try it one more time just to see that he would not enjoy it. I have to get in touch with Alanon. He is having a bad time a work too. The people he works with a such a bad influence on him. My heart just breaks for him. I will continue to pray for him.

Thank you LB

Firstname: Ric R.
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 10/30/01
Time: 10:52:51 AM

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Hi All!

Just thought that I'd let you know that I think that some people are just not meant to have turkeys.

The dogs found the Tom, this morning, and of course, killed it. We haven't seen the hen, so assume that the coyotes or wolves saved the dogs from feeling like they had to kill it.

Wild turkey is quite tasty, but has more breast meat than the domestic ones, but they are not known for their great intellect. I guess that's why I wanted some, the chance to have something around that wasn't too much smarter than me!

I hope that no name LB is learning how to help her/himself, as that is all they can really do. Praying for the afflicted alcoholic will help, but learning how to deal with this disease, on a personal level will help you to find out the limits of what you can do.

Support is great when it is accepted, and will help the suffering alcoholic to get well, faster. If they are ready to recover, it is wonderful to have someone so caring, to help.

Love Ric

Firstname:
Location:
Date: 10/30/01
Time: 1:41:28 PM

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Hi Ric, Thank you, that is one thing I need to learn is how to deal with it. I am going to take the advice that Steve and a few others gave me, attend an alanon meeting. I really appreciate how much advice you all gave me. That really led me in the right directions.

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 10/30/01
Time: 2:15:28 PM

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An interesting noon meeting today......."Why do you come to meetings?" The final consensus: for the same reasons we drank, because we were happy, sad, alone, discouraged, scared, and maybe just because it was Tuesday!! One one man said he hadn't decided if he was here at a meeting because he wanted to be, or because his parole officer told him he had to......which started another discussion from some of us with a few 24 hours, the gist of which was we wish we could have been exposed to, and involved in AA at his age (21) and not have had to suffer as long as we did. It takes what it takes, and some of us had to lose things along the way, like families, jobs, homes, and freedom. Take your pick: a mental institution, jail, or the cemetery. I'll take sobriety, how about you? Going to scroll back up and catch up!! Lily, the tape arrived......haven't made the decision to, yet.......another of those "YETS"....Back later. Love, Diane

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 10/30/01
Time: 5:24:06 PM

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Good evening FF! Sober WOF here. Boy, so many neat shares today! And such great ES&H being delivered, it really makes me happy! Anything we can do to help each other is such a shining example of how great AA is!

Reminder: We have a separate email list with about 22 of us on it. We share a lot in there, especially if this forum is down. If anyone wants to be put on this list, just ask any of us and consider it done! I almost always put my email address at the end of my shares, and all you have to do is click on it, and you can email me with any photos you may want in the albums, or to get added to our "PlanB" mailing list. When you get any messages from anyone on that list, it will show the email address's of everyone on the list. A kewl way to keep track of each other!

I am sort of on hold this week. I get my trial radiation setup tomorrow, then go into it full bore on Monday. I get zapped every day from then on, until Jan 1st, except for weekends and holidays, so my time will be taken up in my physical recovery. All my work days are evenings, so there should be no conflict, and I will make my Mon. morning meetings after all. I will miss my Wed. morning meetings, so may have to find another one more convenient to attend. Plenty of them at the club, so I should not have any problem.

I need the support of AA to get over this physical difficulty, and so far, it has worked wonders for me! I am able to accept what happens, and what I have to deal with. Without AA, I would have accepted it too, because I would have been drunk all the time, and I have no doubt that I would not survive. So this will be a good test of the power of AA for me! I am very confident, that with all this help here, and in my meetings, I will come through this in good shape.

Thank you EVERYONE, for being here for me!

Love and hugs from the WOF!

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/30/01
Time: 8:19:48 PM

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Hi Family,

I just got home from my small meeting in a friends home. It was especially good tonight. We shared on the spirituality of the program and how it has helped us. All of us were of the agnostic variety drunk, and all are truly searching for spiritual growth within ourselves. Truly a neat Group Of Drunks! All of them are highly intelligent people, much more so than I, and have a strong AA program. Just goes to show that anyone can get this program if, Honest, Openminded and Willing.

Diane, have ya been out fighting the wind with a little white ball? It is supposed to be nice the rest of the week. Highs again in the 70's. Might be a good time to play?

Tomorrow night is Halloween. Pumpkins are carved by my oldest son and his girlfriend. They carved them about a week ago and are beginning to rot. I am glad trash day is Thursday. They will be ready for sure.

Ric, soory to hear about your turkeys. The wild turkeys around here are very smart. I have hunted them a few times and always had the same luck as Chopper does fishing. Ben Franklin wanted to make the Wild Turkey our national bird instead of the Bald Eagle because they were so smart and cunning. I used to see them alot when I drove 30 miles to work over in Kansas. But rarely see them here in Missouri. I guess Missouri turkeys are smarter than Kansas turkeys. LOL Sorry Diane!!

Gonna go sit in front of the tube and watch the rest of the World Series then hit the sack. I have to go to work tomorrow, but so far not for very long. Just 1 job.

See ya all tomorrow and thanks for being here for me.

Love to all!

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/31/01
Time: 6:28:00 AM

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Happy Halloween everyone!

A very windy day! Gusts up to 50mph.

Not much to say this morning, except I am thinking about ya. Will be back later and read the posts.

Love to all! BOOOOOOOO!!!

Firstname: chopper
Location: australia
Date: 10/31/01
Time: 6:53:22 AM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

The only thing I know about 'wild -turkey' is I used to drink it, until it turned me into one!ha ha ha

00-roo flopper

Firstname: chopper
Location: australia
Date: 10/31/01
Time: 7:10:11 AM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

Yes

me and jennie are still mooching, I thought the first year of recovery was hard, after being raped every night for the past year I am starting to wonder!ha ha ha better go and put my crash helmet on I'M gonna need it after she reads this ha ha ha .

00-roo save one for ronnie.

Firstname: Lily
Location: Pa.
Date: 10/31/01
Time: 7:42:06 AM

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Lily-alcoholic

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! To you all... heheheheh! HAPPY HALLOWEEN!

Diane, I hear you on the tape issue... when you are ready at least you will have a start. It is a hard decision to make, but I am so glad I did it. I did gain weight, but now the Dr. has me on a lowfat- no -fat diet.. so I hope to lose some. My last day at the restaurant is the 12th. After I recuperate from all the doubles I have been working lately, I plan on doing some walking again.( in the town mall, of course... can't take the cold, anymore.

I had an awful dream last night about the war situation and the World!!! Everythinmg was blowing up all around me. I was driving somewhere??? Pittsburgh area, I think and ships on the water and buildings all over were gone.... scarey!! It woke me up!! I just keep praying for everyone.

well, it is final... My son went to court yesterday and he is the kids primary guardian and the permanent custody parent. My ex-daughter-in-law gave no fight. She had been court ordered to get drug tested weekly and quit going, stopped all out patient help and did not get counselling. She said she was giving the kids up because they were happier and more secure with us... however, I know this disease weel enough to know that even as much as she loves them ( and she does)- she at this point loves the drugs more. Please pray that she will see the light and surrender herself to this incideous disease! I truly love her, but also know I am powerless. I can only be an example. I am saddened for her and the kids cause I know they love her too, but they chose to stay here with us.. but at the same time I am grateful to be so much a part of their little lives. I am truly blessed !!!! I also am very proud of all the hard and wonderful things my son has done to maintain his sobriety and be steadfast in his parenting... he is a great Dad!! I can honestly see it is done all out of LOVE!! And I have learned that "LOVE " is the greatest gift one can give.

Steve.. seems like you and me are going to only be working one job soon... Good for you!! I will be for a while.. then I may have to pick up something to compensate my income! We will see, I am putting my faith and trust in my H.P. and will do the footwork if needed!! Good luck to you!!

Uh. oh .. Jennie- Chopper..... I don't know about you two.... HA HA HA HA !! Sounds like an interesting relationship!!! :):)

Bob, Paul, I certainly hope you guys are well...

Deni, Hope everything is good with you dear! I always enjoy your posts.... hope to see you soon!!

Take care and will see you all later- Love to ALL nad those I have missed.

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 10/31/01
Time: 7:59:00 AM

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Happy Halloween everybody... Good night for all the spooks to be out. We have plenty of candy( if I dont stop sampling).. We live in a n off the main road community, where it is great to raise kids. A place with no sidewalks 'cause we dont need them. So we get quite a few little urchins to oo and ah at. So we're ready. Hope some candy is left over!

Re: Your last share, Bob. Perhaps we give you a lot of support and E S & H ,but in my book I have recieved double the amount from you. I'm at the age where anything can happen, to me and/or Peg, and I know I can get thru it after all you have taught us. AA works two ways! As many have said "it is a we program"...Same thing to Paul, and Diane..

Chopper...."Wild Turkey" does sound familiar. I think it was the only wine I would guzzle, only because it had 14% alcohol, the highest content allowed in this state, anyway. 24 proof aint bad. God, how I hated it tho...gagged on every swallow til it was gone. It sometimes was the only thing I could get, if the Dartmouth kids didn't get it first.. Grateful, that is in my past!!!!

Diane...I love those meetings where people really get into a good topic like the one you had, especially when you have a newbie, or court ordered person there. When that happens, I always try to work in the statemebnt, "rarely does anyone get here by mistake!".I know a couple who have mentioned my saying that after a year or so in the program. I know it was said to me and I remember it well!

Peg has bridge today, altho she still has the golf bag in the back of the car. Just in case!

Steve..All I know about NH turkeys is the domestic ones. A friend of mine had a turkey farm and lordy, lordy, were they dumb! I think Ben Franlin made the only mistake of his life in saying they were cunning and smart.

Guess I better get to chores. Will check in later....Love, Jon

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 10/31/01
Time: 9:16:03 AM

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Glad everyone is still on track,I have nothing new to report untill hopefully I will get some news tomorrow afternoon.They say no news is good news I can't agree as for now I want to be doing something to kill the cancer but I'm also aware some things are beyond my control so I must wait patiently to see whats going to happen.A real dilema for a control freak such as me.Have a great day,keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: JonI
Location: WLebNH
Date: 10/31/01
Time: 1:22:39 PM

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Paul...We'll be here...everyone cares...!!!! Jon

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: WINDY Kansas
Date: 10/31/01
Time: 1:41:02 PM

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Steve, all the MO turkeys moved to KS!! I don't know, I've never seen a wild one here!! Any I see come from the grocery store!! No golf in this wind, up to 40+ mph, not much sun, a really bad day, although not cold.

Chopper, I remember "Wild Tlurkey", too, as really bad stuff, only when you were desperate for a drink!!Between Jennie and the cat, you really have it rough!!!LOL

Lily, I listened to part of the tape, but I was in the car, smoking......LOL guess I better put it in the house system, without a cig in my hand. The hypnosis routine sounds very much like what a dentist in California used on me, years ago. So, it might work........At least the custody situation is settled, and the children will be settled in. You are so good to have them and your son with you. Down to one job? I think you have another one, LOL kids are fun, though.

Jon, a joke about turkeys: they are so dumb, if it rains, they all look up to see where the water is coming from, and all drown!!! No golf here, either, wind up to 50 mph now. Hate the sound!!

Paul, now is the time for patience, although I know how slow time can be. You are in our prayers. And Bob, you have shown more strength and hope to the rest of us, you also are in my prayers.

Lexxi, tried to phone, emailed, and nada.....let me know the # and I will get back to you.....just for today, don't drink....

For everyone, a Happy Halloween, and a sober safe one!! Love, Diane

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 10/31/01
Time: 3:22:48 PM

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Hi Family,

Paul, I know waiting has to be tough, but the solution will come. Patience is not my strong suit either. You are in my prayers.

Lily, sounds like things are working out just like they are supposed to. the grandkids are in a safe loving home and thats the important thing. I do hope your daughter in law will get her moment of clarity soon. When she has had all the fun she can stand she will be ready. It takes what it takes.

I remember too well about the bouts I had with Wild Turkeys. Hehehe. They damn rear kicked my ass, but I would get up and fightem again. It kind of reminds me of Chopper and Jennie after Choppers last post. Chopper, I hope you have a face shield on that helmet.

Jon, I agree that tame turkeys are really dumb, but get out in the woods and try to hunt a wild one. They always made a fool out of me. Have fun with all the little hobgoblins tonight. We live on a cul-de-sac and we get very few. There is only 1 child on the block that is trick or treat age and today is her 6th birthday so we got her something special when she comes to the door.

I have a sponsee that is missing in action. I usually hear from him daily but no word for about 3 days and no answer on his phone. Hopefully he just went out of town to see his mom. Last time he drank it damn near killed him.

Joanie is home, so will see ya all later.

Love to all!

Firstname: Jennie
Location: Australia
Date: 10/31/01
Time: 5:29:29 PM

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Hi everyone, well, well, after Choppers last post, what can I say,mmmm. He decided to tell me what he posted before I came on the Forum - half the time he tells me things just to get me going but he REALLY posted this one. Haven't decided what corporal punishment the cats and I are going to inflict on him but you can be assured he won't see it coming!!!! Any suggestions? This one really has to be a good one, then I'll need to know how to dispose of his body!

Have missed reading all the posts here (see what happens when I don't keep checking in!) I have only been doing one meeting a week and I know that I need more - things have been hectic (excuse?) and I have just not made the effort to find meetings that I can relate to. Our Sunday meeting finally closed - this is the one I met Chopper at - Chopper had been doing it solo for 18 months then I took over. The same thing for me - over 12 months, it was pretty sad to see it close as I really think it was a much needed meeting. Lots of newcomers every week but no OSM's to help out. But it must have been God's will.

Better go as Chopper is trying to be very nice and I have to make him pay-big time! Also have my two children back home with me so am a very happy mum.

Prayers and love to all and a happy halloween 24. Love Jennie.

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 10/31/01
Time: 5:46:42 PM

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Happy Halloween Everybody!

I guess that wild turkeys may actually be smarter than this "average" alcoholic! We noticed that the hen is still alive, and keeps hanging around the chicken coop. Won't go in it though, and Rose and I just spent a couple of hours chasing it around the bush. In the rain!

We'll try to match wits with it again, tomorrow morning, when it comes out again. I think that we'd better buy another Tom, and lock it in the chicken coop. Maybe he'll be more convincing, in getting the hen inside, out of the rain.

Not much to say today, so I'll let you all go out to your Trick or Treating.

Love Ric

Firstname: Nancy
Location: NH
Date: 10/31/01
Time: 6:44:56 PM

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Hi family,

Finally have my computer up and running (sort of - it still has some quirks but darned if I can figure them out). Have tried to keep up on my work computer with the goings on, but it's been hard as people are constantly in and out of the office.

Have been in a funk lately. The oral surgery wiped me out and I ended up on the course of "what's it all about?" Fortunately, even though I had some of those committees (leave me alone, poor me, I'm not crazy am I?, F%*^#) racing around my head, I still had plenty of AA floating around up there, too. The daily readings helped, trying to empty my mind and just feel God's presence helped, and, of course, meetings. Am so grateful there are AA folks around who understand and help.

Ric, have about a dozen wild turkeys who stroll across my driveway on occasion. To say they are ugly is an understatement! Suze's hubby shot one that was over on their land. She said it was not particularly tasty and she is one good cook. One of the best meals I ever had was an elk stew that my son made - melt in your mouth and yummy!

In the 70s down South? I am jealous. It was spitting snow when I came home from work this afternoon.

Bob and Paul, thinking of you and keeping you in my prayers.

Take care, everyone. Love, Nancy, alcoholic

Firstname: Deni
Location: Romeoville, IL
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 1:16:16 AM

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Hi everyone. Deni here. Things have been hectic here. I'm working on the Miss Romeoville Pageant again this year and we've been in rehearsals for a week. The show's on the 10th. Then the following weekend is our Harvest Sunday. A large group of volunteers go door to door collecting food for the area food pantries. We divide the village up into about 60 areas and give the volunteers a map and a couple of kids and send them out. I'm in charge of the maps and dispatching the drivers. We normally wind up with about 1500 boxes of food. Tonight I helped pass out candy at the village trick or treating. During the first half hour we had about 1000 kids go through. We wound up sending someone out for more candy because we ran out. It was nice to have someplace safe for the residents to bring their kids. Now I'm just worn out.

Paul and Bob, I'm keeping you in my prayers.

Lily, I will keep you and your family in my prayers, also.

Take care and God bless!

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 5:45:07 AM

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Hi Family,

Nancy, good to see ya post. I hope the funks go away for ya soon. Sounds like you are taking the action to get thru it. I have found that when I am in such a spot, if I go to a meeting everyday and really participate in what is going on, the funk seems to leave.

Deni, you are one busy woman. Do you ever have a problem saying No? It's great that you do all those things, but don't forget to take care of yourself. If you don't do it, no one else will. I don't mean to sound preachy, just concerned. If I interpreted your post wrong, I apologize.

Getting ready to take Joanie to work and then have coffee with the neighbor. He has been out of town for the last 3 days and I have been collecting his mail. I told him last night when he called that I was going to need a mail truck to deliver it all. Hehehe.

Another day in the 70's around here and then the 60's for the next several days. Only had about a dozen trick or treaters last night and all were very small and cute. Still have some candy left.

Gotta go! Have a sober and grateful day!

Love to all!

Firstname: Paula
Location: Ohio
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 6:36:30 AM

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Hi everyone - Paula here.

It's great to read all the posts. Lots of positive AA. (((Nancy))), hope you're feeling better soon. Steve's advice sounds good!

Paul, Lily, Bob, and Deni - you are all in my prayers. Hope you are all feeling better soon. You are all a great source of strength for me. You have all set an incredible example of how this program works and the strength to be gained from living a sober life.

Jon - how's the cleaning lady? Has Peg started with bridge yet?

Steve - you sound like you're doing well. But then you always sound like you're doing well! :-) Keep up the good work, you always have sound advice for us!

Ric - haven't seen any wild turkeys around here. Lot's of deer though.

Sounds like everyone is really busy. Me too. My oldest daughter and her family are coming this weekend - last weekend was my second daughter and her family. This is the daughter who's building the house nearby. They come about once a month to check on progress. Now that the camp ground is closed they won't bring the motor home, but will stay with us. Both daughters and families will be here for Thanksgiving. First time in a long time we've all been together. I'm really looking forward to it. Don't know where we'll put everybody, but who cares, we'll all be together and that's the important part. Have to be careful not to inflate this in my mind. I tend to want everything to be perfect and then get very depressed when it doesn't work out that way. Have to remember we are all humans with our own strengths and weaknesses. Besides my first son-in-law does not like my second daughter AT ALL! So that should be interesting!(G)

Better go, papers to write and tests to study for - not to mention the house to clean and shopping to do!

Have a happy and sober 24. Love Paula

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 7:18:22 AM

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Good morning all... Cloudy, but improving after a little rain and snow spits last night. Maybe hit 60 this PM.

Guess the weather kept the kids away last night. We have a big surplus of candy. After Diane's plan 2 post, I better try to control myself. You know how far that goes....

Nancy...Sorry you have the funks. I am well familiar with them. I get the "is this all there is?" syndrome. Have to pull myself out..meetings, talking with buddies etc. Then I often think how lucky I have been after hearing serious problems others have, or are having. I change the Chairman of the committee, too, and that changes my attitiude. I say all this, but sometimes forget to do it...

Ric...Let's hear a cheer for the hen. Hope you can get her to safety. Does that mean hens are smarter than Toms? Dont let that get around...

Deni... I agree with Steve. How do you do it all? If I have more than two things on my calendar, I get confused.

Jennie.. I have been thinking of something evil you can do to Chopper. I guess I am too nice he he he...However, in disposing of him, they say acid in a barrel works well.

Glad your kids are with you..Brings sunshine in the home, eh?

Not very creative this morning, seems to be one of those days I draw blanks. That doesn't mean I dont love you all and wish the best. , just not a good morning to think.... Love , Jon

Be back later if a light bulb goes on!!!!

Firstname: Jon
Location: WLebNH
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 7:24:18 AM

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Hi Paula....sneaked in there... Peg bridged yesterday, but still has her golf bag in the car. Sounds like you have a lot coming up.. Hope it all works out. Love Jon

Firstname: Jon
Location: WLebNH
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 7:28:38 AM

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Hi Paula....sneaked in there... Peg bridged yesterday, but still has her golf bag in the car. Sounds like you have a lot coming up.. Hope it all works out. Love Jon

Cleaning lady brought her daughter, and I made a sarcastic remark...I shouldn't do that. But they did do a good job. Will have to ammend next time....J

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 7:29:49 AM

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Jennie,

I have been thinking of a solution on disposing of Chopper. As much as he likes to fish, maybe you could make Chum out of him. I bet he would catch something then. Hehehehe. Although you would probably need to wash the cat urine off him first. Just a thought!! LOL

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 7:46:22 AM

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Tommy can you hear me! TOMMY CAN YOU HEAR ME!!

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 12:14:41 PM

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Howdy from the WOF! Today, I want to give thanks to everyone here who have provided such wonderful support for those in need.

Last March, my wife's sister, Lori, was involved in an auto accident, where her neck was broken in 3 places, and her back in 2 places. Also internal injuries to her spleen, etc. When LueAnn and I got to the hospital, the Drs. just came out after preliminary X-Rays and examination, and said she had less than 2% chance of even breathing on her own, much less ever be able to use her arms and legs. IOW, a lifetime of being a vegetable.

I told everyone here about it and asked for your prayers. Same with my face to face meetings. Everyone poured out sympathy and thoughts and prayers. And, you know what?

She has continued progress to the point where she can walk on her own, using a walker. By the end of the year, she will be able to get around with a cane. The only major problem is her right hand, which is still paralyzed. She had deep depression for a long time which is understandable, but LueAnn provided her with AA and Alanon books with info on how to overcome life as it is for some of us.

And now, her spirits are up, she has a very good attitude, and IMO, it is mainly because of all the support from AA, and her HP. She may not know much about her HP, but it is there, and guiding her through this.

Paul is finding out today what is in store for him in his battle against cancer. Let us all pull together, and with our power and the power of his HP, may he weather this disease as he has successfully beaten alcoholism.

Diane has overcome her nasty sight problem with a successful operation. I know we all prayed for her, and we had a major success there too.

And I am going into my second phase of radiation for my cancer. I am going into it with a positive outlook, because I have so many pulling for me. If it doesn't work out, well, then I believe that my HP has his own plans for me, and I will accept them.

There are others here, Nancy, Lily, Deni, and God knows who else, that are alive and well right now, because of our faith in our program, and that together, we can win any battle.

Thank you all, and God bless you!

Love,

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 12:32:04 PM

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Great post Bob! Thank you for reminding me about Paul today. We do truly live in a time of miracles and our access to HP is the power of prayer and meditation. 11th step!! Thanks for being here and reminding me of what is important!

Love ya Big Guy!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W LebNH
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 12:57:15 PM

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Bob... Thanks for the update on Lori...Glad she has come soooo far.I echo Steve...a lot of power in this program, and in us that HP brings forth! I suppose Paul will have to wait for prognosis, but hope he gets an answer soon! For me, waiting and the "what ifs" is devastating!

Thanks WOF, Jon

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 1:19:36 PM

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Nancy, nice to see you back online. Perhaps you could ask Bob for some help with your pc glitches....he's good at "Brensonizing" !! About the committy in your head: join the crowd!! We've all got them. Sometimes mine votes against me, and I really get upset!!

Deni, your trick or treat night sounded like fun!! We're outside of town, so in 16 years have never had anyone. Had candy, too!! Oh, well, more for me!!Are you one of the candidates for Miss Romeroville? LOL I know , you're just the organizer!! What a lot of stuff you're involved in, makes me feel like a hermit!! I do crowds of people better in foresomes, like golf. And not much of that this week, although today the wind is down a little, but I'm chairing the Thurs. noon meeting. Another good group, about a dozen, and some of the best AA I've heard.

Steve, watch that mail...I see on the news about the K.C.MO postoffice testing positive for anthrax. The whole country may be infected...when you think of all the places mail must go through, especially for us in the midwest, sometimes a half a dozen cities. Makes you a little more cautious. Like not opening attachments in the email.

Jon, I'm like you, still haven't got my fill of Halloween candy!! Glad you liked the picture!! My light bulb isn't on either!! No golf, but no bridge..had enough of that as an officer's wife years ago...promised myself that if I ever got away, I would NEVER play bridge again!!! It's like golf, you either love it or hate it!!

Jennie, be careful!! I bet there are a dozen gals who would snap Chopper up if you put an ad in the paper!!! I'd keep him, and pen the cat up!!Good jokes you've been sending....passed on a bunch of them!!

Bob, what good news about Lori, she has had a long road to travel these last months. And I finally realized how much prayer can help....after just giving it lip service these past years, in AA, I realize that maybe I have grown a little.....we never get too old to learn. Willingness to accept, and openmindness......where have we heard those words before? How are you doing? I get to see my opthalmologist in Dec,....need a major lens change....any Coke bottles out there? LOL

Paul, you are in my prayers.....let us know how things are going.

Lorrie, how are you doing?

Lexxi, how was your trick or treat excurision? Will talk to you later!!

Keep coming back...Love, Diane

Firstname: Jennie
Location: Australia
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 2:08:32 PM

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Bob, really moving share, exactly what I needed to hear to be grateful for what I have. I may even forgive Chopper now. Life is too short to live in misery, pain and anguish. Happy, joyous and free, thats what I want to be! Prayers and love to all - especially Paul V, prayers headed straight your way. Love to all, Jennie.

Firstname: Donna S
Location: Orlando, Florida
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 2:41:27 PM

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Hi All- My name is Donna and I am an alcoholic.This is my first time online. I have been in the program for a little over 8 years and have 4 years continuous sobriety. I just had a baby 7 weeks ago and she was 10 1/2 weeks premature. I just brought her home on monitors and oxygen so I can't get out of the house for a few months to go to my normal meetings. I would really love to stay connected through the forum.Thanks!

Firstname: chopper
Location: australia
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 3:18:33 PM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

G,day Donna welcome to the A.A. forum online glad to have you here. There are a great bunch of people on this forum and they made me feel very welcome when I first signed in last year. I am sure you will enjoy your time online at this site.

oo-roo and godbless

chopper

Firstname: chopper
Location: Australia
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 3:34:37 PM

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G,day chopper here

Acid baths, cats urine, crash helmets I,M glad I don,t drink anymore ha ha ha .

00-roo

Wild Turkey

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 4:54:11 PM

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Hi Gang thanks again for the prayers as they appear to be working,Dr. says good news(two biopsys no cancer in lymph nodes)bad news(right lung may have to be removed totally)Big deal I'm a few lbs. overweight anyway.Also with just the surgery ahead if I can heal quickly enough I may still get away for part of the winter.I would leave the trailer here and just drive down and find a place to rent someplace warm(for my health of course).Thanks again for all your help please believe me when I say miracles still do happen on a regular basis to people in this program.Good luck to all keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 5:39:23 PM

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Hi Donna...Welcome to our little group. This should be great for one that cant get to meetings. Most of us are on here every day, sometimes more. It's the next best thing to a face to face meeting. We'd love to hear more about you....

Paul..So glad you didn't have to wait weeks to get the news. Although your operation doesn't sound like fun, I know several that have gone thru it and are doing well. So glad you said it hadn't got into your lymph nodes as I guess that can be what spreds it. Keep in touch..we really all care ....Jon

Firstname: Jennie
Location: Australia
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 6:01:49 PM

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Welcome Donna, I too had a prem baby (9weeks) and he is 18 now! Never thought I would see him blow out his 18 candles!! But they are fiesty little buggers, premmie babes! Paul, someone cares :-) Have a happy 24. Love Jennie

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 6:40:38 PM

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Donna, welcome to the aaforum!! We are a mixed bunch, just like a live meeting!! You might check out the other two pages of this site, for some step and discussion groups, too. What's here is a mixed bag...social, sharing, jokes, and just plain old conversation!! Please join us!!

Paul, good news, bad news....we are with you 100%. And miracles do happen..just all of us being here on this page today, are miracles!!

Discussion at noon on Higher Powers, spirituality vs religion, an interesting variety of opinions. That's what I love about AA, we can all have an opinion, and still listen and appreciate the fact that everyone is allowed their own. I've never seen an argument during a meeting, arising from the discussion. Now Group Conscience meetings, or the Group that manages our building....there's another story!! LOL And both meet this month, so sparks may fly!!

Chopper, aren't you glad Jennie is keeping you? (now exactly the right words!) And Jennie, aren't you glad Chopper is staying? I now pronounce you AA squared!!LOL

Read you all tomorrow!! Love, Diane

Firstname: Lily
Location: Pa.
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 9:07:43 PM

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Lily-alcoholic

Bob... Thanks for the wonderful post....

Got to go to work... love and peace to you all!!

Lily

Firstname: Deni
Location: Romeoville, IL
Date: 11/1/01
Time: 11:50:43 PM

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Hi everyone. Deni here. Steve, you are so right. I do have a problem saying "no". I just want to help everyone. It seems like sometimes when I do say no I feel guilty about it later. It's something I really need to work on. I guess this is just my busy time. After Nov. I will slow down a lot.

Paula, it's great that you've been able to spend time with your family. Your thanksgiving isn't going to be perfect but I'm sure it will be wonderful anyway!

Jon, I think I thrive on being busy. I've been so blessed and I just want to give back because I believe it's what I'm supposed to do. Does that make any sense?

Bob, glad to hear Lori is up and walking. Thanks so much for your share. It was beautiful!

Diane, I actually was a contestant in the Miss Romeoville Pageant many, many years ago. I was the first runner up. Spent the year trying to figure out how to bump off the queen!! hehehe!!! She was really a good friend and we had a great year!

Paul, I also know of a couple of people who have gone through the same surgery and they are doing well. With faith in your HP and in the fellowship of the program, I'm sure you will do just fine.

Donna, welcome! You've found a wonderful family here. Congratulations on the new baby. I will keep both of you in my prayers. Keep coming back. We care!!!

Jennie, Chopper and Lily, good to see your posts.

It was a lazy day today. I slept until 11am. Didn't have anything on the calendar until this evening. Tomorrow I have a morning meeting with the mayor and then rehearsal in the evening. We're having a sleep over with the pageant contestants at a local hotel. It should be fun.

I know I don't say this often enough but I want you all to know how much I appreciate everything you have done for me. You are all very special people and I am blessed to be able to count you as my friends.

Take care and God bless!

Firstname: chopper
Location: Australia
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 6:17:38 AM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

Great post Bob, I can now take my crash helmet off, your logic and stead fast attitude has had a remarkable effect on Jennie 'her sanity has been restored' and she has stopped bashing me for my harmless remarks ha ha ha Yes Diane she has finally seen 'THE LIGHT' and conceded that to lose the chopper would be a sad day indeed,slow learners the female species ha ha ha Now I'm really in for it ha ha ha

00-roo chopper

Paul v as we say in oz mate I'm rooting for ya!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 7:39:20 AM

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Good morning all, Well the sun came up in the east this morning, 'spose to get in the 60's. Peg is still golfin, and Yankees are still winning (damn)...

Diane... I love the discussions on HP. In the 12&12 it mentions, "the hoop is big enough for anyone to jump thru" or something like that..and I usually say that I got thru, but scraped my shins on the edge. Being on the agnostic side, I feel that it is important to explain my concept of an HP, and spirituality. Early in my sobriety, I kept my mouth shut as I felt out of place. But when I heard of those that had left because of the "God thing" I thought I had better speak up. I learned spirituality does not necessarily mean religious. I think that knowledge saved my life! Also, I dont think I have ever heard an argument on this subject. Just being in the rooms of AA, to me, proves you acknowledge a power greater than yourself.

On GSR meetings and the like, I know what you mean. I learned why they recommend a years sobriety before being a GSR. ( For those new, a GSR represents the group at a district meeting). I was only 7 months sober when they elected me, and talk about resentments!!! There were some big issues at the time, and man did I get pissed. Stayed sober tho, in fact my view won!

Deni...What hotel are you having the sleep over. I'd love to join you all!!

Jo...Kim...Tommy...Where are you. We need an update.

Hope to hear more of the Jennie-Chopper saga...Must be spring in Oz..they are pretty frisky!.

Enough for now, see y'aall later and love to all, Jon

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 8:13:44 AM

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Hi All!

Jon- I like what you said about Spirituality, as opposed to Religion. I was told, early, that for us alcoholics "Religion is for those who are afraid to go to Hell, and Spirituality is for those of us who have already been there".

I thank the God of my understanding, every day, for the Spiritually based program of living, that He inspired. One drunk helping another!

Thanks Love Ric

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 8:46:49 AM

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Good morning family! Oh my, so many good shares today to talk about! But first, thank you all for your comments on my share yesterday. With my evolving medical saga, at times I spend too much talking about my ills..

Diane, I thought we were out in the sticks for Halloween. We had about 20 kids and that was it. Halloween is a fun time of those kids, but not that important to me. I remember one memorable night when I was married to #2 and lived on the main drag in Hartland. We usually got a couple hundred kids.

Well, I had a 4 track reel to reel tape deck, that I could control the speed on. I recorded a whole bunch of howling, growling, and nasty noises, and when played back real slow, it would make the hair on yer neck raise. I put two speakers on the porch, and when kids started up the sidewalk to the door, I would start playing that tape. I wish I would have had a video recorder to keep the reactions some kids had! And not only the kids! Some of the parents that were tagging along, pulled the kids back and just skipped our house. (G)

Donna S, welcome to the Forum! It's just like a regular meeting, but you need to furnish your own coffee. (G) I think today is my one year anniversary with the Forum! Will have to check the archives to verify that, but time sure flies!

Paul, during your treatment will be a good time to lose that weight! I lost about 23 pounds, and plan to keep it off now that I am down to "fighting" trim. (G) My Drs. are not happy about the weight loss, and neither is my wife. But, *I* am, and that is the main thing. I weigh what I weighed when I got out of the USMC in 1956, and am thrilled about that!

Chopper, I am glad that my last post got through to Jennie, and she has now accepted you for what you are. You can mail me the check any time now.. ;-)

Jon, we have a sunny day, and at 9:30 it is 59 out there. Great day to golf, if ya be a golfer! But November in WI can be treacherous. I have seen blizzards and below zero temps by the middle of the month. I fired up the snow blower the other day, and put stabilizer in the lawn mowers gas tank, so am all ready for it.

Almost ready, anyway! We still have to rake and blow the leaves up. Then the storms. Still have not done those. :-(

I work 4p to 7p tonight. Then the push starts for me to work regular shifts. Sunday, 4p to mid. Mon, 4 to 7, Tue 4 to mid. Also Thur and Fri, 4 to mid. So, going to be a busy week for me! I have been spoiled since June! Getting lazy, and I need to get back into the swing of life. I also start the radiation, daily, on Monday.

All positive things going on here, and I am sure glad to be alive! We are still waiting for the call from LueAnn's daughter, that our new grandson has arrived! He is due by the 10th. (G)

Reminder: Click on the Photoisland URL to see all the photos! And click on my email to send me some photos! We need to keep that current. Also, we can add anyone to our email planB list. Just send me your email address & it will be done. Diane can also add your photos to the album, in case the WOF is intimidating.. (G)

Enough for now. I might be able to log in here from work tonight, hard to say. Depends on how many calls we get...

Love you all!

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 9:03:38 AM

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Good Morning Family,

It is a wet day here today. We got 2 1/2 inches of rain overnight.

Jon, I agree with ya 100% on the religion vs. spirituality. Just having the willingness to look and be honest with what each of us find is what it's all about. To thine own self be true!

Paul, I too have known a few people who have lost a lung and they function normally. Wouldn't have even known it if they hadn't told me. You are still in my prayers. I hope ya get to go south for part of the winter.

Donna, welcome! I feel that my finding this site on the web was a God deal. It is filled with lots of loving and caring people, living 1 day at a time and dealing with life on lifes terms. Keep posting and we will get to know ya better.

I have some cleaning to do today and tomorrow so I had better get to it.

My son had his last football game last night and they finally won. It was senior night so we walked onto the field with Adam and he gave Joanie a rose. Then had our picture taken. It was very nice. Today he tries out for the basketball team. They others have been at it a week already, so he hopes he makes the team. New coaches this year and Adam said he feels like they really don't care if he tries out or not. I told him to show up and give it his best shot. He is a heck of a basketball player and has been playing school ball since the 8th grade so if they take talent into consideration he should make it with no problem. Anyway, time will tell. They are getting ready to make cuts and he is just showing up. I will probably be more upset than him if he gets cut. Hehehehe.

Jennie, I wouldn't worry to much about Chopper, although you may want to get him a spiked collar for when ever you have to leash him. LOL

Gotta go!

Love to all!

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 12:08:57 PM

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Guess you got all the rain, Steve, we only had 1/10!!! Hope your son does well at the tryouts. There is always a lot of news on the Joplin TV stations about high school sports....lots of enthusiasm!!

Ric, how true, your comment about religion and spirituality!! It's encouraging to newcomers, also, that there aren't many rules to this program, only suggestions: Don't drink, go to meetings, get a sponsor. There are as many ways of working the steps as there are people trying to get sober. I for one was never fond of rules......especially those I didn't make!!

Bob, the schedule sounds really busy!! Take care, and watch out for HALT !! Another grandchild!! Exciting!! About your NORTHERN weather.....do not, I repeat, do not , send any this way!!!

Hey, Chopper, how's the cat treating you? LOL

Have a good weekend!! Sobriety and serenity!! Love, Diane

Firstname: TOMMYT
Location: SAVANNAH,GA
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 12:30:59 PM

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HEY YALL! Wow lots of good things said here lately.Sorry I have not posted lately but they are trying to kill me here at work.By 4:30 Friday I will have put in 60 hrs this week!-YUK! I am too old and worn out to work that much. This week I am really F.I.N.E. I came too close this week-Stressed out and tired I started thinking that man it sure would be nice to get drunk & forget about the world for awhile.But I did not.Thanks all for being here

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 2:09:19 PM

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Howdy again. Yep, the WOF here, and will leave for work in 30 minutes.

I checked the archives and found my first post here in the Forum. Oct. 30, 2000. So I have been part of this family now for over a year! My, how time flies!

What is sad though, are the many people who were here about the same time, and have vanished. I wish them well, and hope every one of them is sober today!

But, very heartening, are those who were there a year ago, and longer, and who are still around! Steve, Diane, Jon, PaulV, Lexxi, Deni,and others that we see almost every day! Fantastic!

Catch ya all later!

Love and hugs from the WOF!

Bob

Firstname: KIM
Location: MS
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 2:14:25 PM

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Hey Yall,

I too have been busy. Meetings& more meetings aftercare,counceling and Im just worn out.Looks like all that has taken care of my sleeping problem.I always come here when I cant sleep as yall can tell Im better. My kids are coming today for the whole weekend!!!!!!!!!! I cant wait. Pray for me I havent seen my girl-11 in months. Just gonna be me today. I hope she likes the new me.I have a tad bit more P T & Kindness in my life and Im so greatful it hasnt been easy like they say follow this simple program. Ive kicked & screamed part of the way but I think I might be getting somewhere. Cant count my chickens before they hatch. I dont like to say things are good cause Im afraid sure as I do Ill get thrown a curve ball. Working on that though.

Bob- That was a wonderful story made me feel warm inside.

Ive got to go got things to get done before they get here. Love all of you. Keep praying for me ok. Thanks to all. KIM

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W lebNH
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 5:19:12 PM

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Kim...Have a great time with your kids!!!Keep up your work on yourself thru the program... Good things will continue to happen... Oh, you will get a kick in the butt now and then, but life has a way of doing that. Just say the Serenity Prayer and go on about your business... Your doin' great , Love Jon

Firstname: Lexxi
Location:
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 5:21:24 PM

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Hey ya'll,

Good to see ya! Yes Bob, these familiar faces in here , including yours,are sooo comforting to me too. I really appreciate ya'll being here.

Ya'll keep telling me to "keep comming back" and that you care... Sooo comforting...

It's been a couple of weeks now, since my last drink. And around Halloween I was kinda jonesin'(Stupid, I know, after ending up in the hospital because of drinking). I was feeling helpless, like alcohol was calling my name and I was NOT gonna be able to resist. Then the most wonderful thing happened! Dianne called me. Our conversation was brief 'cause I was on my way out, but OH SO EMPOWERING! She told me that I didn't HAVE to give alcohol an opportunity(or something really simple like that). Long story short, the porchlight is back on and I'm seeing daylight again! lol Thanks Diane! You may have saved my life, hun.

I tried to get to a noon meeting today, that I hear about word of mouth. But, I walked into a Rotary luncheon instead. OMG! When I asked one of the guys if this is the AA meeting, his eyes widend in horror and he kinda stepped carefully back 2 steps away from me like he was terrified of me... LMAO!!! Maybe he was afraid to "catch" it? still chuckling...

No meeting for me today, but I did call one of the local AA ladies and had an awesome chat! Tommy, it really was a relief to be able to tell a "real life" person that I was struggling with wanting a drink. It's like, once the lie that alcohol was whispering in my ear, was exposed, it went away. At least for today...

HUGZ, Lexxi

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 6:03:20 PM

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Kim please remember how and why we stay sober,I'm sure your children will love the "new improved mom" but working the program with members is pretty easy the hard part is working the program with our loved one's that really can't understand our disease.Just keep getting to meetings reading AA literature and TREATING ALL OTHERS AS WE WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED.Best wishes keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 9:27:35 PM

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Hi Family,

Kim, enjoy your visit with your daughter and I am sure she will like the new improved you. I imagine there will be alot of reconstruction ahead, but thank God that this will be the start. I agree with Paul, keep doin what your doing and you will keep gettin what your gettin. It works!!

Just got home from a meeting. The room was full of new faces, which is nice for a change. There was 1 guy there for his 1st meeting and when the sharing was over he talked about how he could relate to my sharing having stole my kids Christmas money to get drunk. He had done the same thing. So I guess he could relate to at least one thing he heard tonight, and there was lots of good 1st step sharing. It's kind of funny what we hear at our first meeting. All I remember about my first meeting was that the guy sitting next to me made me feel welcome and got me a cup of coffee. Thats it, but it was enough to make me feel I could go back again. It's a good reminder for me to remember how it feels to be a newcomer and scared to death. They truly are the most important people at a meeting.

Lexxi, it put a huge smile on my face to hear HP sent you an angel by the name of Diane. She truly is an angel and I love talking to her on the phone, which reminds me, I will be calling you soon Diane. Time for our visit. I will be working most of the day tomorrow, so I will call ya sometime over the weekend.

Bob, good to read your post, but please keep the colder weather up north where it belongs. One year here at the forum sure goes by fast, but it is hard to remember not coming here. I think Jon, Tommy, Lily and Jennie have been here the longest. I know they were all here when I first posted (not sure of the date.) Paul and Diane may have been here also, but there are many that I miss. That is one of the hard things about the forum, people disappear and we have no way of knowing how they are doing. Maybe if we all say a little prayer for them, HP will have someone near them check and see if they are OK. I sure miss Lawerence in Sugartown.

Tommy, good to see ya posting and hanging in there. Are ya still going to meetings?? One Day at a TIme my friend, and do something every day for your sobriety, besides just not drinking. Hey, I got a new turntable last week and I just love it. It's a Technics SL1300. Any requests?? How about a Japanese pressing of the Beatles White album?

Jennie, I have some stuff that will take the urine stains off Chopper if it gets to bad. I can also deodorize him for ya. Hehehe. Unless the cats are as old as Jon's Willie. There kidneys get so bad when they are old, that it just leaves a yellow acid bleach stain that won't come out. But maybe it will bleach out any sun spots that Chopper has. See there is a positive in almost anything if we just look hard enough! LOL

I am getting goofy, so I had better get to bed.

Love to all!

Firstname: Kim
Location: Ms
Date: 11/2/01
Time: 11:55:43 PM

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Hey, Just sliped in to see what was going on. Things are going good. We watched Dr.Dolittle 2 it was funny. Man I really miss these times. It will be hard to let them go Sunday. Thanks for all the support I need it. See yall Later. Gotta do a little meditation before bed and send up some thank yous.

Firstname: Jennie
Location: Australia
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 3:15:03 AM

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Hey Kim, we just watched Dr Dolittle 2 as well. Sad to see the Crocodile Hunter get eaten...oops sorry for those that haven't seen the movie yet. Thanks everyone for the suggestions re Chopper, they were very helpful. Bob, I think he has sent the cheque. Jon, I think chopper doesn't mind what season it is, have you wondered why the cat pees on him all the time? Lexxi, glad to hear from you, have been meaning to say that but have been busy sorting things out here, LOL, welcome back! Well, you lot, must go and get some things done. Happy 24 to all. Love Jennie.

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 7:59:42 AM

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Good morning all...Sunny, warm, and still golfin' weather for Peg...60's today...then I think all hell breaks loose, snow flurries tomorrow and Monday.

Good ol' New England...

Lexxie, your post sent a chill up my back! As Steve said..your angel called. And she is that...

Keep trying to get an up-to-date meeting list. I'm glad you asked if the meeting you went to was an AA meeting. I have heard stories of people sitting half way thru other groups before they realized they were in the wrong place. Great try tho.

Your calling that lady in the program was a smart thing to do. That is why we all have numbers to use in emergencies. It would be great to get a group of four or five that you call frequently and get to know. I did, and several times I'm sure it kept me from sneaking to the jug store!!

Just a word of caution, Kim....watchout when the kids leave...dangerous time. Great time to get to a meeting. Also , good time to reflect this never would have happened if you were drinking!!! Keep up the good work. I'm rootin for you!

Steve.. I wont tell Willie what you said about his pee. He is very good and has never missed the box. I must admit I do find a "chocolate" here and there occaisionaly. But that is because of his condition.

I agree with what you said about those early meetings..fear, anxiety, and the seemingly unimportant things we remember.When I was drying out, and scared of DT's, I was in a meeting and a moth was flying around. I asked the guy next to me "did he see it?" he said he did. My reply was thank God! It's always a great meeting when someone new shows up. There is a lot that can be said about the 1st step, altho it seems so simple. I always talk about being as honest as possible in accepting this step, as I was B.S. ing myself for years. Great stuff...

Better get busy on winterizing. Takes me awhile to get moving....

Love you all, Jon

Firstname: Lexxi
Location: Smilin' in the Boonies
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 10:21:34 AM

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Morning!!!

Guess what? I don't HAVE to drink today! KEWEL huh?

Paulv, You doin' OK? I appreciate ya.

Steve, Thanks for pointing out HP's part in Diane's rescue call. WOW! It didn't even dawn on me that maybe HP was helping me, when I was clueless how to help myself... And yes, she is DEFINATELY my AA angel!

Di? Better straighten yer halo, girl. Folks are lookin' atcha...

Kim, So happy for you and the kids! Sounds like you are really trying hard to do the right things. Proud of you, girl.

Jennie, TY. Good to see you too. Waving "howdy"...

Jon, TY. I will keep trying for the meetings, although you know how much I resist going. I really hate being told what to do, but h*lls b*lls! Ya'll are long time sober and I want to be. I'll just shut up, stop whining, and do as I'm told for once... lol Today the plan is don't drink and hit the 8pm meeting. It's only about 13 miles away. I got "local" meeting times and places from the lady I called, yesterday. Good idea to call and get to know some of these other ladies too! Who know? Maybe I could actually make a friend way out here in the "boonies"...

Thanks, Lexxi

Firstname: Bob
Location: W
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 10:39:21 AM

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Good morning y'all! Gonna be another great day in Wisconsin. Sun is out, 62, and no wind.

Hey Kim, good luck on your weekend with the kids! You are on the right track, and I would bet that things will be just great for you and them!

Lexxi, hope you found that meeting! Sounds like you made some good contacts though! When I checked the archives, I think you were one of the first ones I talked to and of course, it was about venison.. (G)

Steve, sounds like ya had a great meeting there. Isn't it amazing, how someone turns up to remind us of the things we need to never forget? I find myself being complacent at times, getting cocky about doing so well without alcohol for over 2 1/2 years now. Then, someone will bring up something at a meeting that pulls the rug out from under me, and brings me back to reality. Thank God for that!

Now, a little story about what things could be like for us without AA.

There is a fella in Hartland, who everyone knows. Sort of the town drunk. I have no idea how he has lived this long. He was the first person I arrested in Hartland way back in 1971. He was DUI, revoked, and tried to elude me. I gave him a pass on the DUI and eluding, but charged him with operating after revocation. To the best of my knowledge, he has not driven since then.

This poor chap walks about 3 blocks a couple times a day to refresh his beer supply. He lives alone in a barely furnished apartment. He sort of walks down the sidewalk like a zombie. Head up, looking straight ahead, and would not hurt a fly. All the cops know him, I thought.

Last week, one of the younger cops arrested him. It turns out he was walking through the PD parking lot, and when the cop tried to get his personal info, he just tried to walk away. Got busted for "Obstructing an officer".

My personal opinion is.. That cop is a badge happy young idiot, that has no common sense or compassion.

And, there but for the grace of God...... You see, being a cop, I was super careful in all that I did, but even so, I was very lucky to never get arrested myself. I have no idea why I was spared, but will be eternally grateful to my HP for taking care of me.

Diane, and Jennie, and Steve, keep the jokes coming. You guys keep me smiling, no matter what. (G)

Love you all...

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: Lexxi
Location:
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 1:16:36 PM

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Bob, Yes I remember. :) Hubbie got 2 "bambies" for the freezer just yesterday!!! Is that the dinner bell I just heard?

Lexxi

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 3:06:02 PM

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Hi Family,

I got my work done about 1:30 and then had lunch and a nap. Am feeling much better now.

Bob, I can really relate to what you said about sometimes feeling complacent and cocky about your sobriety. I have experienced that several times. Check out the top of page 92 in the 12x12. It has brought me back to reality and saved my butt several times. You may be able to relate with it too!

Jon, thanks for not telling Willy what I said about his urine. I am sure it is like fresh melted snow. Hehehe. I hope ya know that I am an animal lover, big time!! I have 3 dogs and 1 cat and love them all. If something happened to any of them, I would feel a part of me was missing.

Lexxi, I think I heard the dinner bell also. One of the best meals I ever remember was venison. Yum Yum!! I used to like to hunt, but since getting sober I have not felt like killing anything, myself included. I even sold my guns when about a year sober cause I knew I would probably not use them anymore.

Kim, I agree with Jon about it being a redflag time when your daughter leaves. You might want to think about calling someone to get together with and attend a meeting right after she leaves. It won't be an easy time I am sure, but then begin to make plans for the next time, cause I am sure they will become more frequent the longer you stay sober. And someday you may get custody back. Now that would be cool. One Day at a Time, progress is made.

I have a sponsee that is missing in action. I am going to go by his house and check on him before going to the meeting tonight. He called me yesterday and was really freaked out about a few things and was supposed to meet me at the meeting last night, but he never showed up. I have called 3 times and left messages, but he hasn't been returning them. In the past this is a sign he is drinking again. Hopefully, that is not the case this time. He is not willing to do anything for his sobriety. He wants to be sober, but wants to just have a magic wand over him and presto, sober!! We have spent hours talking about his need to become apart of AA and his recovery, but it goes in 1 ear and out the other. Enough of that!

Gotta go, will be back later tonight!

Love to all!

Firstname: Lexxi
Location:
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 3:31:26 PM

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Passing the bacon wrapped backstrap fillets to Steve... Take some mashed potatoes and gravy with that?

Firstname: Lily
Location: Pa.
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 4:43:49 PM

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Lily-alcoholic

HI aLL!!. Good to see you here Lexxi- you mentioning venison lexxi, reminds me of time while using I went to a wild game dinner at a local bar I frequented... I ate Deer heart, they told me.... even drunk, I puked. never forgot it. I am an animal lover. I cried... what a mess that was. No one said a word till after I ate it. My friends used to love to tease me, I was always an easy mark. Gullible, I guess. Yuk!!!! To this day I will not even look at venison.

Bob, you got me thinking, I came in here in Feb. 2000- so it is coming up on 2 years for me.. The bunch that I recall that was there was Jon.. JCP.. Jim, Joe M. ( dear Joe) and of course our darling Lawrence.. I really pray for all that have come and gone, but Joe and lawrence really tear at my heart. Jon.. do you remember- Nel.. Louisa .. Theresa???Louisa was from Alaska and was getting to be their 6 months of winter when she suddenly disappeared from this site. I miss them and think of them from time to time. Still nice to have those pass through our lives .. I learn from all.

Well, I worked another double today and now I am relaxing. Just one more week of this and I am semi-retiring.. Jenna went to her church Hayride this evening and Zane is at a birthday party of one of his buddies taking place at our local YMCA. Swimming and all. Sounds like fun....NOT!!! The bed sounds really nice to me!! :) AAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW peace and quiet!!

Paula, how are your kids doing ??

Kim- Staying sober and incorporating the 12 Steps into your life will bring you rewards with your kids... more than you can imagine... I found that out... I just had to do the footwork and let my H.P. guide me.

Steve.. I hope your sponsee comes around. I had a friend sponsee like that- I had to let her go - till she was really ready. It hurt me.. but of course her being in a drunken mode... she knew nothing of my grief.. which was short lived cause I have learned in this fellowship - to let go and let God. She never did make it back... ended up taking her own life. I was saddened- for she was very instrumental to me in my early recovery.. but unfortunatly some have to die, so that others may live. I will pray for your friend.

Diane.. Hi to you dear!!! Got your jokes... you crack me up.

Jennie.. good to see you and Chopper are a twosome still. Sounds like a very interesting one....(G)

Jon.. you are getting snow already ??? MY friend just moved to the Fla. keys and has to evacuate already cause of the hurricane. I heard from her yesterday- she is going north to her sisters.. till the storms rides out- taking only her computer!!! Ha. Ha. see how addicting these contraptions are!!!

Well, got to hit the sack for awhile.. Good to see you all- have a safe and Happy "Today"

LOVE........

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 4:57:45 PM

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Steve try not to let your sponsee get you down,keep in mind we only try to carry the message not the person that needs to learn it.Every 12th step call is successfull as we always go home sober and greatfull.Its great that we can care as much as we do for the suffering alki but we are not responsible for their behaviour we can only try to show an example of our successfull lives and hope its something they want and are WILLING TO GO TO ANY LENGTHS TO GET IT.

Kim sometimes in early sobriety we are in the extreme high and low zone so its imperitive that when the weekend visit is over you grab some AA people to help you prepare for the next high moment.We all know when we get to the doors of AA there are no more highs for us in booze only in sobriety.Keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Jon
Location: W LebNH
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 5:19:36 PM

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Lily....No snow yet, in fact they have changed the forecast to rain....I'm not sorry... I do remember the names you mentioned. I like to think their time is taken up by meetings. love Jon

Firstname: Smitty
Location: Melrose Park Illinois
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 7:06:13 PM

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Paul remmembera Sponseris somer you help keep sober so he can help keep you sober, so you can help keep some else sober.

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 7:11:14 PM

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Tansi! (Hi! How are ya)

Bob and Lexxi- you really made me appreciate the moose stew we just ate.

We had company today, so Rose made up a wonderful stew and bannock meal.

Kim- I'm sure happy to hear that you got your visit! It took me 1 and 1/2 years, before I got to visit with my son. I am always happy to hear that you are grateful for what your Higher Power is giving you. There has been a lot of good advice going your way, about going to a meeting following your visit. Keep it up lass, it looks good on you!

By the way, the turkey is now in the pen! Jon, I hate to admit it, but the turkey outsmarted me, but allowed Rose to catch her.

12th Step calls are an opportunity for us to "carry the message", sometimes to the suffering alcoholic, sometimes to us!

Thank you all, for paying this very important 12th Step call on me!

Love Ric

Firstname: Smittty
Location: Melrose Park Illinois
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 7:51:30 PM

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Bob I just read your post about the town drunk I drove a Bus for 35 yrs And was was apart time Police man for six years also a sgt. and a youth officer, cand they said I was a dam good one, But when It came to drunken drivers I was hell on wheels, I was also a part time school bus driverOne load 1st 2nd 3rd graders, one load of 1 through 8 grade twice a day, for 5 years Stacked up a 2 million mile safe driving record, yet I never went to work or get behind the wheel without drinking, talk about God looking out for drunks and little children, I never got a moving violation. But the problem is with drunks lie me is it take's forever for us to seek help. My first drunk was when I 7 yrs old & and I never stopped for 51 yrs I am a hillbilly from boot leg country and they cut their teeth on moon shine. God was with me all those years. I never killed anyone never got arrested, if he wasn't I wouldn"t be here now. For that I am very greatful . love to all

Firstname: Smitty
Location: Melrose Park Illinois
Date: 11/3/01
Time: 7:57:43 PM

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Sorry I made a boo boo My first drunk was when I was 7 years old. My uncles throught neat to see me get sick.

Firstname: chopper
Location: Austarlia
Date: 11/4/01
Time: 6:00:17 AM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

Smitty

I,ve heard some things since I got into A.A. but driving a bus for 35 years while on the plonk without a accident NOW THAT IS A BLOODY MIRACLE!

There is a god,there is a god, there is a god ha ha ha

oo-roo brother

chopper

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/4/01
Time: 7:01:50 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Paul, thanks for the reminder that all I can do is carry the message to those who suffer from this disease and that I am as powerless over their alcohol as I am my own.

Smitty, good to see your post. I too was one of the lucky ones who never got a DUI, although I could have almost everytime I got behind the wheel. I also never lost a job, got divorced or ended up in jail, although all of those were very close to happening. The only difference between me and many people in prison is I never got caught. I am very grateful for God watching out for this drunk and rescuing me when I was ready.

Ric, I am glad Rose was able to capture the renegade hen. Women seem to have a way with Turkeys. Hehe. Moose stew sounds wonderful.

Have gas prices dropped in other parts of the country as much as around here? I never thought I would see it below 1 dollar again, but here it is 97 cents a gallon. Just wondering!

I have to have my roof replaced on the house. I got an estimate from a friend in the program who is in that business for $2200. Yikes! Oh well, it has to be done.

Gotta go!

Love to all!

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/4/01
Time: 8:40:23 AM

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Good morning FF! Nice day once again up here in the wilds of WI. (G)

Lexxi, the early deer season is about over around here. The general season opens on Nov. 17th. I don't worry about that anymore. (G)

Steve, at our open meeting last night, only 5 of us there, but the topic was about the same as you mentioned on page 92 of the 12x12. We talked about what we need to keep doing to remind us we are not the ones in control here.. It is our HP. (G)

Hope everything is OK with your sponsee!

Lily, sorry about your venison experience! But, venison heart *IS* the very best tasting meat in the world, IMO! I slice it just like liver, fry it with bacon and mushrooms. Yummy!

Yes, I remember many of the ones around here a year ago. The one from Alaska too. I have hopes that they are all doing well, but in reality, I know that some of them are back in hell cuddling up to the bottle. :-( But I think back on my dropping out of Lamplighters.. I think a lot of people there are sure I have relapsed. I can see a need to pop back in there soon, wish them all well, and tell them I am doing fine! Just off on my own trip here. (G)

What a greeting for someone just moving to Florida! That would make me wonder what the hell I was getting into! But, I too would have brought along my computer. This is part of me now. (G)

Ric, the very best tasting steak I ever ate was a moose T Bone. Man, that was a man's meal!

What is Bannock?

Are you sure that turkey is a totally wild bird? I cannot imagine a wild turkey being caught alive by a mere human! Around here, they are much more spooky than any deer I have seen, and will spot you blinking from 200 yards away, then turn and run like hell... (G) I have not hunted them since 1960 when they had the first season here. They had imported a stock of semi wild turkeys, and they did not last for more than a couple years. Winter was too harsh on them. Then, WI traded grouse with MO wild turkeys, and they took very well! They have spread pretty much throughout the state now, and we see them even in this metro area at times. I only hunted them a couple times, without success, but saw them often when bowhunting.

Smitty, I hear ya my friend! Like you, I drove with alcohol in my blood almost every day. And many, many times drunk. But, I drove a squad car. Talk about being lucky! For some strange reason, I was clean when I rolled the squad in 1991 at 95+MPH after being rammed by a burglar in a stolen car. Squad was totaled, I only got seat belt bruises, and had not had a drink that day yet! If my blood tests would have showed alcohol, I would have been in deep shit trouble. Loss of a job as well as DUI charges. The Lord was watching out for me!!!!

Steve, gas prices around here are now about $1.25 per gallon for the reformulated junk we need to buy in this metro area.

Well, I work 4p to mid tonight. Gonna take it easy til then! Catch y'all later!

Love,

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/4/01
Time: 9:19:46 AM

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Good morning all.... 55 and cloudy..Peg still on the links! Geeeez.

Just got home from my BB meeting . We read " He Sold Himself Short". Great story about AA back in the late 30's. They only had 6 steps then, but they covered the same 12 steps essentially. It is amazing in a way , that the whole concept of AA has not changed since then. Some groups try to, but the gist is the same. Must be because it works!!!!

Bob.... I hope your right on people just not interested in posting any more. I guess some just dont want to take the time. And those that, as you said, may do a little experimentation. Hope some come back...

Steve..you got a gas war going on? We have dropped from 1.69 to 1.39 the last week. ( for regular). It doesn't matter to me, I get 15$ worth all the time, so my gas stays the same...hehe

Ric... Ah, yes, women have a way of coaxing animals and people to do what they want.. Dont tell Peg I said that. I want her to think it's all my idea

Well, haven't much going on. Missed the Yanks getting trounced last night. I thought that was a travel day. I probably wont watch tonight, as I have that feeling, that if I watch the D'backs will lose. What power I have!!!

Love ya'll Jon

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 11/4/01
Time: 3:08:19 PM

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Couldn't post yesterday, my ISP was down...Kansas now has two area codes, and the earthlink group didn't bother to change the dial up number.....our local number transfers to a Wichita #, so ...nohting worked. At least they got it back up and running today!!

Lexxi, what a hoot about the Rotary Club !!! There are probably a few there that could use a 12th step call!! I didn't save your life the other dy, I just reminded you that you didn't HAVE to drink!!! Glad you made a local contact...see...we told you it would be alright!! Hang in there, gall, we love you!!!And you'll find a bunch of good people right there in your neck of the woods once you get involved in local meetings!

Steve, I've been online a lot today, catching up on a few things I missed yesterday!! So the phone line has been busy!!! I hope "our visit" refers to a golf game!! I shot an 82 yesterday......clean, no mulligans, no overs!!! Best round in ages!! Must have been the sunshine....or the meetings I went to this week, or sharing with Lexxi.....something sure made me feel good and relaxed!!! I've been here on the forum since November 2000. And yes, a lot of people come and go.....or find somewhere else to share AA. Hopefully f2f........

Kim, glad you are having a good visit!! See, the promises of sobriety do come true, but only in their own time frame....

Smitty, God protects drunks and little children!!!

Hopefully our Indian Summer will last .......not ready for winter, yet!!

Hope everyone had a pleasant weekend!! Sobriety, serenity and love from Diane

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/4/01
Time: 8:26:06 PM

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Hi Family,

Diane, you shot an legit 82. That is a great score. I don't think I can keep up with ya with scores like that. Did you say your area code changed? Email me your phone # so I will know I have the right one.

Yeah, Jon. I guess we do have a gas war going on. It dropped again today to 96 cents a gallon for the cheap stuff. On Sept. 11th it was at $1.49 and has done nothing but go down since. This is the 2nd time it has fallen below a dollar in the last 2 weeks. The jumped it back to $1.09 for a couple of days and then lowered it again.

I went to a group business meeting tonight, but did not stick around for the regular meeting afterwards. Came home to watch the ballgame. Go Diamondbacks!! Jon, I figured you would be a Yankee fan. I do admire how the Yankees outspend everyone else on payroll, but it's time for a change. 3 years in a row is plenty for any franchise.

Well, I just wanted to tell ya all that I love ya and think about ya often.

Have a good night!

Love to all!

I think I came here around the end of August 2000 for the first time. I typed all in CAPS and was told to stop yelling. Hehehe. Live and learn!

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/4/01
Time: 11:31:23 PM

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Good morning folks! Just home from work and it is cold out there, and 1230AM. Very busy tonight, but I hung in there all OK. Winding down now, and ready to hit the sack. Gotta be up early for my Positive Attitude meeting, and from there, to the cancer center for my radiation session.

So, not much time to comment on anything except I did read the shares, and y'all make me smile. Thank you!

Love and hugs from the WOF!

Bob

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/5/01
Time: 7:24:32 AM

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Hi all... gray and cold...snow showers predicted, but no accumulation.

Steve.....I guess you wouldnt realize it, but a Boston fan rooting for the Yankees (shudder) is an absolute no-no. I forget, but think it has been over 60 years when the Red Sox last won the pennant. They have what is called the Babe Ruth curse. ever since they traded the Babe to NY in the 30's. I have to root for them with that record!! And when they miss the playoffs, "down with the yankees!"

Yesterday I said I wouldn't watch the series, as I'm sure I affect the game. I turned it on just as the Yankees tied it up. So I turned to something else convinced they tied it because I was watching. I didn't go back to it and learned the D'Backs won this morning....SEE?

Diane....WOW. An 82! What a way to end the season... Hope you frame your card...

Bob.. Please watch yourself on overdoing it. To lower your immune system is not worth it. Guess you know when you get over tired so I wont preach... Hope your zapping goes well. Let us know...

Afraid I haven't much on my mind this morning. Glad to be sober, and glad to have so many buddies, male and female.... Love all, Jon

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 11/5/01
Time: 8:48:00 AM

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Jon, "ending the season"??? No way!!! After 2 months off, and missing summer golf, you can believe that I'll play every day I can!!! I'm sorry the Yankees lost, too, although I don't follow closely, I still root for them!!

Steve, I'll email phone number.....had a problem again with earthlink today, am about ready to switch servers!!Anyway, the only change in the # is the area code, to 620.

Bob, I'll be thinking about you this a.m., and we'll all be with you!!

Have to go check out the local ISP options, back later. Love, Diane.

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/5/01
Time: 11:10:28 AM

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Howdy FF! I made it to my meeting this morning, and as usual, it was good. From there, went to the cancer center, and got my first zap on this series of radiation treatments. That went OK, and I was only there about 15 minutes total.

Jon, no rain or snow here predicted for the whole week. It is supposed to hit 60 today, and then 65 tomorrow! Great weather, eh?

As far as working too much, I don't think I will have a problem. Total each week should be no more than 32 hours and it is spread out. Like today, only work 4p to 7p, and tomorrow, 4p to mid. Then off Wed.

Last night was unbelievable! At 5p we had to tone out and send a page to over 30 SWAT team members, to meet in Delafield for a training exercize. The scenereo was a man with a gun call. Phones were ringing off the hook, as each on of them called in asking where to meet, and how to get there. During all the hoo rah, we had to handle all the regular calls for info, accidents, req. for ambo's, etc. Tough chore for only 2 of us working, eh? (G) We did have one serious accident call too. 3 went to the hospital, and 2 had to be extricated, which took about 40 minutes. On a call like that, we have about 15 to 20 police, fire, and EMT units on the scene, and of course, every one of them insists on radio service and they talk at the same time. Very nerve wracking at times!

Diane, these sessions should be a lot easier on me than my first chemo/radiation sessions were. I just wish there was some way to point that machine at my sinuses and get rid of the daily congestion! That is a pain in the a.. uh, nose. (G)

I hope you get your ISP squared away Diane! I just got a CD from Earthlink to sign up for 3 months, and get a free DVD machine. I passed on it. In fact, I passed it right into the trash under my desk here. (G)

My son in Madison had problems with Earthlink too, and has gotten a new ISP himself.

Think I will take a nap! Check on ya all tonight after I get home at 7pm...

Love and hugs from the WOF!

Bob

Firstname: Jon
Location: WLebNH
Date: 11/5/01
Time: 1:13:07 PM

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Diane...Guess I wasn't clear.... No way does a Northern New Englander root for the Yankees. Strictly a no-no! I root for Red Sox until they screw up and if the Yankees end up in the play-offs, they are scum.

Thought this may not be the end of your golf...sorry, I goofed. Peg has played her last day about 6 times, and she is talking about Wed and Thu now. May get in the 50's. We'll see.

Already changed your address.... Love, Jon

Bob, do you get more chemo, too? Thought it was just zapping. Last nite sounded like a can of worms!!!, take care, Jon.

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/5/01
Time: 1:23:39 PM

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Jon, no chemo this time! And less power on the radiation, so hoping it will be a lot less complicated regarding the side affects.. (G)

Can't sleep, so will just go to work tired. (G)

Hugs from the WOF!

Bob

Firstname: TOMMYT
Location: SAVANNAH,GA
Date: 11/5/01
Time: 2:06:41 PM

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HEY YALL! Hey Steve-I bet the new turntable sounds great! Nope I have not been to any meetings lately-I have been working 12 & 16 hrs days lately and by the time I get off I am wiped out!-I know -I know some will say that is another Tommy excuse but its true.If I don't have to work late tommorow night I promise that I will go to a meeting.Right now my Stress level here at work is at a alltime high!-YUK! Speaking of work I have to go for now. Thanks all for being here.

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/5/01
Time: 2:30:59 PM

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Hi Family,

Bob, I read the posts this morning about 8:50 and said a prayer for ya. I will keep it up, but as we both know you are in HP hands anyway. Hopefully it will not be a rough on ya as last time. Sounds like a lot of chaos at work last night. Geesh, I don't know how ya do it.

Jon, thanks for not watching the game last night. Since you didn't watch, Arizona pulled it off. My vote for MVP goes to you my friend.

Diane, lets play Wednesday. I have not played in a couple of months and only about 3 or 4 times all year, but it sounds like fun. Email me with the time and I'll be there. I will email ya back with directions to the golf course.

It is a beautiful day here in SW Missouri. In the 70's and very light wind. Good golfing weather. I just got an email from Diane and we are set to play Wednesday. YEEHAAAA!!! I can't wait.

Tommy, I hope things settle down for ya at work soon. It would make me want to look for another job. I have found for me there are a lot of things more important in life than working all the time. I know they will abuse ya as long as let'um.

Gotta go! See ya all later!

Love to all!

Firstname: Donna S
Location: Orlando, Fl
Date: 11/5/01
Time: 3:40:52 PM

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Hi Everyone!!! Thank you for the warm welcome!! Its so great to be part of such a strong community. Being home is great but sometimes I feel isolated from the outside world.(Which probably isn't a bad thing! HA!HA!)I refuse to watch TV..... most of it is garbage! My hubby stayed with the baby yesterday and I got to go to my regular meeting. It was so great to see everyone and the topic was spirituality and how the promises have been fulfilled in peopl'e lives. I really needed to hear it too because the one about economic insecurity gets me right now. I may lose my job because of my daughters health condition. No daycare will take a preemie on a monitor and oxygen and I have no desire to leave her with anyone. After seeing her struggle in an ICU unit for 6 weeks, I can't imagine leaving her to go back to work. My husband is trying to work it out so I can stay home, but we are taking a big hit without my check coming in. I know that God has it all figured out and I need to keep doing the next thing in front of me..... and that is staying sober and taking care of my baby. It is good to be at meetings and also to think back to the miracle my life is as a result of AA. I wouldn't have even had a baby or been capable of holding a job 6 years ago. This program has given me a life! I love what you said about Spirituality vs. Religion, Ric. You are all in my prayers!!! Thanks for helping me stay sober for another 24 hours!

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/5/01
Time: 6:21:24 PM

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Hi Family,

Donna, good to see ya again. Here is a thought, have you thought about doing some babysitting of your own while staying home and taking care of your little one. It could help ya with a little income until you can go back to work. Just a thought!!

Well, the tee time is all set up for Diane, Walt and myself to play golf. I am really excited about it. Wed. at 10:30am. It will be great to be able to give one of ya a hug and tell ya F2F how much I love and appreciate you being here for me. I do attend alot of meetings, but this site is a real plus for me.

Gotta go, but am thinking about you all!

Love

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 11/5/01
Time: 6:47:41 PM

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Tommy I know its easy for a guy thats retired to make suggestions to a guy thats trying to support a family expecially with your country losing 500,000 jobs a guy just doesn't want to make waves.I do know that while I worked when the overtime was going around I usually made a pig of myself and the only one I was supporting was me.What I am thinking of here in Canada the law will only allow so much overtime in any work week as an overtired employee is a safety risk to himself and other co-workers.I don't know that I would have the nerve to turn down overtime very often but I did on a few occasions when I felt totally drained and I believe my forman was greatful when I said I was a safety risk and needed some rest.Money from overtime is of no value if your too sick to spend it.Take care of yourself and yes I really wish you would get to meetings so as you could go from being dry to being sober then you will understand why we want you to join us in contented sobriety.Good luck keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon, NH
Date: 11/6/01
Time: 8:02:09 AM

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G'Day all, ( I feel Ozzie)..Sunny and 40's here, and windy. Think Peg will stay home..

Steve..You and Diane should have ball ( no pun intended) Wed. Think that is greaT. Hope the weather cooperates. Wish I could be your gallery!

Donna...Tough spot your in, but also a blessing. I like Steve's suggestion. Also, where you work..No maternity leave? Also, have you check to see if there are any kind of city, state or fed. benefits to cover your situation. Might pay off to check... What ever, you'll be a great mom, and you'll find things will work out. How long does the baby have to be on special care?..I wish you the best. Get to meetings as much as you can. You never know when you might run into a nurse or someone who can give you a break.

My son called from Maryland last night all excited about the northern lights. He says they were brilliant down there, so I looked and all I could see was clouds. The news mentioned this morning, they were great in Wisc. and the great lakes region. Damn I wish I could have seen them. It's been a long time...

Bob.. Hope your feeling OK after your busy day. Did you see the No. lights last night?

Geez...Heard an old friend that I got sober with went out recently. He is now in the hospital. He said, "The thought just came out of the blue, and said, what the hell". Boy, that DOES make one sit up and take notice. I'm going to chat with him and see if he can pin point what led up to it. I lost track of him the last few months, and dont know if he stopped meetings. After 16 years, we dont graduate..that's for sure!

Well must shop.... Love to all, Jon

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/6/01
Time: 8:16:02 AM

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Good morning! Just got up, showered & shaved and ready for my zapping in a couple hours.

Yes Jon, I saw the northern lights last night too! Beautiful reds, blue, green, etc. Not defined enough to get a photo though. :-( They were completely overhead, and this is the first time I have seen them in color in WI. Usually, when we see them, they are just white lights shimmering to the north of us.

This is the first time LueAnn has seen them, so it was a neat thing last night for us both!

I bet they were really GREAT by Ric!!!!

Love and hugs from the WOF!

Bob

Firstname: Karen T
Location: Enfield,NH
Date: 11/6/01
Time: 8:50:18 AM

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Hello all. My name is Karen and I'm an alcoholic. I used to ride to meetings in Thetford,VT with Jon I. and he recently told me about this site. I am ever so grateful!!! I usually go to about 4 or more meetings a week, but I am on an adventure--full-time work and full-time school-- that has put a big kink in my meeting schedule. I know I'm where I'm supposed to be and will be taken care of so maybe that's why Jon told me about this site. I feel better alreay after browsing around the different meetings and then reading all of your comments for the last month. Bob, don't know you yet, but I wish you well with the treatments. Donna, things will work out, don't be afraid to ask for help-we've all had to at one time or another. I'm glad to know about asking for help now. I am finally free and comfortable most of the time.Looking forward to the day's sunshine, if it comes. I, too, am enjoying Indian summer this year. I can't believe gas prices dipped below the century mark somewhere is this country! Wow! Have a great sober day all!

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/6/01
Time: 12:34:35 PM

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Howdy! Hey, this is a great day, and hopefully all you golfers are on the courses today! I did not even need a jacket when I went for the morning zap!

Diane, Steve, and Walt, I hope you guys have a great day on the links tomorrow! I wish I could be there with the camera! Remember to take one. We need pictures!

Speaking of pictures, I finally got Paul to cooperate, and he sent me his photo! He now has an album in Photoisland. Everyone check it out! Looks pretty good for an old geezer. (G)

Tommy, slow down! Ain't no job worth working that hard at.

Hey Donna, that is really a rough situation to not be able to work and watch over your daughter at home! Best thing I could suggest, is to just remember that this is temporary, and things will work out in the future. I know that financial problems really can get ya down, but there is always an end to the problems.

We had to cash in my wife's small retirement fund from her former job, to get enough to survive on, but with me working again, things should lighten up for us too.

Steve had a good suggestion Donna. Taking in a couple other kids for a while. Quite a few women in this area do that while their babies are new and they cannot afford to pay the child care for their own..

Good share about the value of working overtime or not, Paul. I feel the same way. It is hard to turn it down, but the older I get, the easier it becomes.

Jon, I hope your friend comes around and recovers OK! That IS scary when someone with that much time in AA loses it again!

Karen, WELCOME! Any friend of Jon's is part of our family here! It sounds like you have a real heavy work schedule there.

You will find us a very caring group of souls, that just love to be able to communicate on this kind of level. Check out our PhotoIsland site, and you will see who we have as regulars here. Just click on it at the end of my message here, and use the sign in name of aaforum, and the password is sober.

If you want to have you own album, email me a photo, and it will be put in! Also, we have an email list called planB to use in case the forum goes down on us. If ya want to be on that too, just email me and it will be done. (G)

I dispatch 4p to mid tonight, but am off tomorrow, so I can catch up on my sleep. I am doing OK so far! Still feels good to be back at work!

Love you all!

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/6/01
Time: 12:58:14 PM

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Hey, Karen...Glad you made it here! There really is a caring group here, and they have pulled me out of many a funky day.

As you saw we have people from all over the U.S. and some from Australia (watch out for Chopper) , Canada, occaisionally from England and other parts of the world.

It's particularly neat for me being a semi-recluse, to start my day. We chat about everything and anything, so hope you join us as a regular....Love, Jon

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 11/6/01
Time: 1:47:56 PM

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Good idea on Earthlink, Bob!! We have been having trouble with them for months, since they took over the original ISP we had. The new one isn't the fastest in the world, but it is there!! Really wanted to shell out the big bucks for a satelite connection, but $70/month is a little steep, just for a faster download....maybe next year the price will come down. Sounds like a busy evening!!! Only a drill, but very necessary to be prepared!Maybe they could divert a little radiation toward your sinus!! My MRI showed a cyst in one of mine.....when it acts up, I'll do something about it, but right now I don't really want to see a Dr!!

Jon, I guess I'm not a real New ENglander......I've always liked the Yankees!! Ks is up to almost 80' today...but winter is supposed to blow in on Thursday, with a 30-60 range, more like Nov. is supposed to be!!

Good to see you, Tommy, keep in touch!!

Hey;, Steve, I'm back to normal golf...91 today, I told you that those low 80's wouldn't last!! And not having played the Joplin course, my score is bound to be up!! Really looking forward to seeing you!! Do stay away from the power tools tonight!!!

Donna, your new baby, and your sobriety should be the most important things in your life, now. Financial affairs will work out, somehow. Nice to see you online with us!! Keep coming back!!

Paul, excellent advice to Tommy. Alcoholics can work themselves to death, and sobriety is sure at risk without meetings. Listen up, Tommy, we'd like to keep you around!!How are you feeling, Paul? Will keep you in my prayers.

Welcome, Karen!! Another N.H. gal!! Jon is a great strength on this site, and I am sure, f2f also!! Lots of good AA here!!A good reminder from Jon about his friend...we are never "recovered", only "recovering" It's those who slip who remind us how easy it can happen. We just change out minds, and ZAP we're drinking again.

Just realized I missed posting yesterday!! Had to reset the pc, for the new ISP connection....not being Bob (LOL) it took me a while!! But everything working!!

Sobriety, sunshine, and serenity!! Love from Diane (still an nhgal)

Firstname: Lily
Location: Pa.
Date: 11/6/01
Time: 1:59:49 PM

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Lily-alcoholic

Hi all ! Hope everyone had a great "Today"

Donna, Welcome and congratulations on the new Baby... what a blessing. I certainly hope you find a solution to your work situation. When I am faced with a situation like that, I usually pray about it and it seems when one door closes another opens. If, it doesn't then I accept what ever the outcome... there is a reason for everything..., I feel, You may need to be with your child right now.I don't know how you feel about prayer.. but it works for me and I know a lot of others in AA. Again, just a suggestion.

Karen, I am very glad to meet you ... any friend that Jon would recommend has to be a GEM in my books... WELCOME!!

Bob, I am thinking of you with the treatments.. you still amaze me.. with your humor.. what an asset. Yes.. Get some rest, Man!!

I just got home awhile ago from my sisters in the neighboring town( my home town, actually), it is election day and her neighbor that lives across the street is running for Mayor. My sister and all the other neighbors have been running a vigorous campaign for him ( He is one of us by the way , 22 years clean, Thumbs up !!!! )- I was at the poles most of the day , even though I can not vote (different county), to help out. He is a wonderful person and in fact his wife is my Sponsor.. and Spiritual friend. Well, I am heading back as soon as I finish here - there is a party later tonight to wait for the returns and everyone wants me to come . I haven't seen alot of the people for years and being at the poles was fun, and I need to have some fun.. I have been working so hard and with the kids and all.. I am going to escape for the evening and probably spend the night at my sisters.

Paul.. I saw your picture.. what a handsome man you are.. so distinguished!!

Jon, I hear you on the recluse thing... I feel that way sometimes. Especially when all I do is get up go to work and come home. I guess it would be more of a rut I can get into at times.... this site is a Blessing also!! Always good to hear from you.

Diane, I changed your addy - You seem like you are feeling and getting about pretty well now... GREAT SCORE, by the way !!! I don't golf.. never did, Dang it!! But I am a sports fan and I do understand it ! I love gymnastics and Figure skating. I was a gymnast as a child and into my teens.. till I got too tall. The best gymnasts are very petite. I got to be 5'7".. way too tall (G) it broke my heart, cause I was very good, In fact I took contortionism also, I could bend myself in half. Oh, my Gosh... it hurts for me to even remember that. OUCH!!!! (G) It took alot of practice.

Got to get going for now, sorry I took up so much space, but I don't get in everyday anymore.

Tommy... LOve you Man....

Later, all!!

Firstname: Jennie
Location: Australia
Date: 11/6/01
Time: 2:16:58 PM

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Hi everyone, great posts. Donna, I worked from home when my oldest was born premmie, somaybe you could do as someone suggested above, there are lots of home based work you can do - if you still have the energy after looking after your little one, I know they need lots of care. As I said before my oldest was 9 weeks prem weighing in at 3lb 10oz. I drank all the way through the pregnancy, at the time did'nt realise I was alcoholic! How insane was that, still harbour a lot of guilt over that one, but luckily he was not born with any deformities etc. Maybe thats why God decided he should be out of my belly! My youngest I did'nt do anything, total dry drunk, did'nt smoke only ate and he was fine. Anyway I hope everything goes well for you and your family. Steve I remember when you first came on the Forum and yelled at everyone, hehe! Ric, ditto what Bob said "What is Bannock??!!" Better go, youngest has to go to school, Love to Jon, Paul, Tommy, Diane, Lexxi, Smitty, Lily and welcome Karen. Happy 24. Love Jennie

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/6/01
Time: 5:02:10 PM

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Hi Family,

Just spoke with Diane on the phone and we are all set for tomorrow! I can't wait to meet her and Walt. From phone conversations I am sure we will have a ball.

Karen, welcome. Like was said above, any friend of Jon's is a friend of mine. I hope you find us to be your cup O' tea. Lots of caring and sharing here.

Bob, glad your treatments are goin a little easier on ya.

Jon, I don't know if the Northern Lights would be able to be seen from this far south or not. I will go out and check out the sky tonight. We are clear as a bell. Will let ya know.

Lily, sounds like you had a fun day at the polls. I hope your guy wins, which I feel he has a good shot since he has been practicing this program for several years. That's my kind of politician!!

Jon, thanks for sharing about your friend that drank again and ended up in the hospital. That's a good reminder that as certain times we are without a mental defense against the first drink. I do hope he pulls himself up by the bootstraps and gets back in the program. It would do alot of people good to hear his latest experience. Some of the most powerful shares I have heard are from people like him who went back out. Saved my ass a few times I am sure!

Chopper and Jennie, is it summer there yet in OZ? Time for Chopper to wet a hook again isn't it?

Paul, any updates on your condition? Please keep us informed of any news and happenings. We care! I am going to look at your picture after posting this.

Well, gotta go to a meeting and I am smelly from work today, so will shower beforehand. Everyone will really appreciate that I am sure! Hehehe.

Kim, kiss that little baby for me. I love babies, especially ones that aren't mine. Joanie (my wife) is 48 and missed her period for 3 months a while back and I was afraid she took me serious again.... LOL Hopefully there are no chances of that happening!

Love to all!

In case anyone is hungry, I fixed Seafood Fettucini Alfredo tonight with shrimp and lobster. Turned out real good, even if I did fix it myself. Hehe

Firstname: Donna S
Location: Orlando,FL
Date: 11/6/01
Time: 8:08:54 PM

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Hi all!! Thanks so much for the input. Jon, Samantha is on oxygen and an apnea/heart monitor. She has at least 2 more months before they will take her off. She forgets to breath and turns an awful shade of blue which makes the machine alarm go off! Yikes!! Its like an instant heart attack for me!! I took her for a walk today and got outside.It was an absolutely beautiful day in the low 70's. I have found myself gettin paralyzed by the monitors. I sit in the house waiting for them to go off and today I said to myself NO!!! I am not gonna be a prisioner in my own home! So we hit the streets and all was fine! I had 12 weeks maternity leave and spent 7 weeks of it with her in the hospital. I have to be back by 12/26 and that is with an unpaid extension.I pray all of the time and thank God for the opportunity to be with her to take care of her. I do beleive that I am supposed to be at home with herat this time.I have worked full time since High School so it feels really great to be at home. I have been married for 13 years so it is great to play Mommy and be a housewife!!I have a newfound respect for Motherhood. I don't know how they do it with more than one child!I took a shower today at 1pm! I am usually a morning person but Samantha has changed all that and its ok by me! Did anyone read the 24 hour a day meditation this morning? Good Stuff!It talked about surrendering my fears and replacing them with faith.Gee! I wonder if that was a coincidence!? Its so cool to connect with you all over the world! I promise that I won't complain about cold weather in Florida when I am dealing with real Northerners!!! I'm originally from upstate NY so I have experienced the real thing!Take care for now!!! Its good to be sober another day!! You're all in my prayers!Welcome Karen!!!I admire you going to school and working full-time! Something I couldn't do before I got sober!You'll do great!! Just remember that its One Day at a Time!

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 11/6/01
Time: 8:27:03 PM

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Hi All!

I'm sorry that I haven't checked in for the last couple of days!

Great to see you all, here!

It's really wonderful to welcome Karen, too, as any friend of Jon's must be better than all right!

Jennie and Bob, I am not sure if I can describe Bannock too well, but just imagine having a bit of Heaven in your hand, and putting it into your mouth. Rose makes some of the best Bannock in the north! It's a type of "bread" that has been made by Aboriginal people for several centuries, and is still a welcome addition to any meal, especially with wild meat.

As to Rose capturing the renegade Turkey, she says that she is just a bit wilder than any turkey, and that helped. I worked much of today in rebuilding the chicken coop, to accommodate the hen, and are getting prepared for getting another Tom. It's kind of like "Brensonizing" but with turkeys, instead of computers.

We are just getting ready for Remembrance Day, at which time we lay a wreath on behalf of our respective families. You Americans would know this as something else, but it is at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, the same time that the Armistace was signed, to end WW I.

I sure hope that everything went as well as could be for you too, Kim. Faith and good old hard work, coupled with Blessings from your Higher Power, will make everything work out for the best!

Paul- You and Bob are continual Inspirations for all of us. I know that each of you face your health problems with a great deal of courage. We all can learn, from your Faith, Courage and Determination, how to better deal with our problems, big or small. Thank you, both! You are always in our Prayers.

Thank you all, for paying this very important 12th Step call on me! Love Ric

Firstname: Kim
Location: Ms
Date: 11/6/01
Time: 10:03:25 PM

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Hello Im online again,!!!!!!

I dont know what is wrong with this computor it just aint working I guess it has a mind of its own. How did yall know Id be feeling this way after I had to take the kids back crying to stay. Now that liked to have killed me. I went to my meetings as usual and 2 more today. It is hard tto explain how I feel. Not really like talking just thinking about things and being quiet . Why I dont know. My heart aches and not being able to do 1 thing about it. Could it be this is where Im suppose to be today? I think Im handleing it pretty good. Might be takeing it out on my husband just a little or his drunk self might be getting on my nerves. I dont like looking in that mirror you know. Aint trying to fix him today. Although Id like to take his inventory for him.heheh! Lord help me with these resentments, they are eating me alive. Im haveing trouble idenifying if its the people or the things they are doing that I dont like. Got a new book on acceptance. I might ought to get started on it real soon. Today Im just doing the best I can and staying sober. My HP has really helped me and made things happen. I am in shock how things turned out for me and Im greatful for that. I have so much more to do. Right now at this moment Im feeling ashamed and unworthy and I dont know why. I think I gotta do my 5th step soon. Is it really gonna make me feel better to tell all my stuff Lord I hope so. My sponcer is a business woman and is very busy and has her own stuff and I havent been able to talk to her like I want to. I dont want to hurt her feelings but I am looking for a stand by so when she cant talk Ill have someone. It really helps me to talk right now in my life I need this. Do we really get depressed or is this a state of mind we put ourselves in? I feel sad and feel the pain cause Im suppose to and then go on. I really try hard not to stay in it cause Im afraid it will make me drunk. I dont know just a thought. Well enough said got to do my meditation and go to bed . Hope I can get online tomorrow. Thanks all of you for your kind words and support. Alive Greatful and Still SOBER. LOVE KIM

Firstname: Deni
Location: Romeoville, IL
Date: 11/6/01
Time: 11:43:55 PM

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Hi everyone. Deni here. I missed you guys the past few days. I've been so busy I'm not sure which way is up!

Steve, I took your advice and said "no" when I was asked to help someone with yet another project. Gosh, it felt good! Thanks for the reminder.

Jon, I can't believe Peg is still golfing! She doesn't quit, does she?

Diane, please take some pictures of your get together with Steve and post them. It's great you two can get together.

Bob, speaking of getting together, we're still planning on getting together and camping in the spring, right? I'm looking forward to meeting you and Luann in person.

Karen, welcome to the family. I'm sure glad Jon told you about this site.

As I said, my life seems hectic now but it will slow down a whole bunch in a week and a half. That's when the two projects will be finished for another year. The stress got to me today. For the first time in years I thought about getting high. I was extremely nervous and shaky. I opted for a long, hot bubble bath instead. Unfortunately, I started smoking again. I've been on that rollercoster more times than I care to remember. But at least I stayed sober. I truly appreciate all of you being here for me.

I hope you don't mind, I have asked some friends to pray for those of you who are ill. Prayer is a big part of my life and my friends and I pray for each others family and friends all the time.

I have to speak in front of the village board tomorrow night and I have to prepare a report. I always get frazzled when I have to do that. Please keep me in your thoughts. Well, gotta get to that report.

Have a safe and sober 24!

Firstname:
Location:
Date: 11/7/01
Time: 12:10:51 AM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

EVER seen these 12 steps before

STEP 1 *We admitted we were powerless over nothing.We could manage our lives perfectly and we could manage those of any one else that would allow it. STEP 2 Came to believe that there was no power greater than our selves and the rest of the world was insane. STEP 3 Made a decision to have our love ones and friends turn their wills and lives over to our care. STEP 4 Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of every one we knew. STEP 5 Admitted to the whole world at large the exact nature of our wrongs. STEP 6 Were entirely ready to make others straighten up and do right. STEP 7 Demanded others to ship up or ship out. STEP 8 Made a list of any one who had ever harmed us and became willing to go to any lenghts to get even with them all. STEP 9 Got direct revenge on such people when ever possible except when to do so would cost us our own lives orat the least a jail sentence. STEP 10 Continues to take inventory of others and when they were wrong promptly and repeatedly told them about it. STEP 11 Sought through nagging to improve our relationships with others as we couldn't understand them at all, asking only that they knuckle under and do things our way. STEP 12 Having had a complete physical, emotional and spiritual break down a result of these steps,we tried to blame others, and to get sympathy and pity in all our affairs.

I'd rather try and live A.A.'S any day nice to be reminded though.

oo-roo chopper

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 11/7/01
Time: 7:48:35 AM

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Hi gang I too got golfing yesterday but the temps were a balmy 56f and it really felt rather warm compared to some of the days we have been having here.Don't know when I'll be able to go golfing again so it seemed like a good idea although I'm sure you southern golfers woud not go out if the temp was less than 70f.

Your thoughts on seeing the Northern lights reminds me of how I take so much for granted these days as I have seen them on many occasions and they pointed out on TV that they were particularly colourful and clear here the past two nights.I decided to walk up to the meeting that was only a mile or so away last night and never thought of looking up to see them going nor coming home.It is pretty sad when a person misses out on so many of natures shows as his thoughts dwell elsewhere.Much the same as so many of you like to hear of Ric and Roses scenery yet here at the lower end of Lake Superior we have some of the most beautifull scenery in Canada expecially during the colour change in the forests in fall yet I drive through it usually just taking everything for granted.Sometimes I wonder if I have received too many blessing in this program and don't appreciate a great thing when I am standing in the middle of it.I have heard of many becoming complacent and going back out and I try not to allow that to happen hense I have two daily readings,still attend 2-3 meetings a week plus visiting with you guys on a regular basis and I have much email contact with my AA friends in Florida and Texas.Hopefully I can remain in focus and remember I'm only one drink away from being a drunk and I really enjoy being an recovered alcoholic(wonder what reaction this will bring here,I love doing it at meetings accasionally).Keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Pam c
Location: Ont
Date: 11/7/01
Time: 7:59:27 AM

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I have been sober for 2 1/2 mnths. They say u are amazed before u are 1/2 was through. This is so true! My life is already so much better. Alcohol was ruining my life and I found little happiness in life. It is so wonderful to wake up and feel good in the morning. It certainly hasn"t been easy but the benefits are so wonderful. Already I have the love and respect back from my daughter which I am so grateful for. I thought that would take a lot longer to accompish. I am blessed. Thank-you to AA and all u alcoholics.

Firstname: Pam c
Location: Ont
Date: 11/7/01
Time: 7:59:51 AM

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Firstname: KarenT
Location: Enfield,NH
Date: 11/7/01
Time: 8:05:29 AM

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Morning to you all! Wow! This is great! All of you outside the US! Aussie's and Canadian's! I love it! The schedule is not feeling as overwhelming today, maybe because I found you all. Donna, you are so right. It's all One Day At a Time. I get so impatient with that sometimes, but I had a refresher course in it this past summer, just b4 starting this work/ school schedule, and now I see it as a huge relief. Just to be able to turn off everything in my head by saying, "Okay, what is there to do today and what do I need to do first, right now." I get better at this with practice and I can actually get pretty close to instant relief by putting this into action now. I have lived here for 12+ years and have yet to see the Northern Lights. Lots of snow, but few moose,only a couple of bears, and no Northern Lights.Lots of drunks. Some sober, some not. Like Jon I have recently seen several who were several years in recovery when I arrived and are now back out. I tell ya, they don't look good. I went to PhotoIsland and feel like I know you all a little better now. I will send my shots soon. I think I need to figure out how to make them smaller 1st. I can insert pictures from Photoshop,but they tend to take over the page. Chopper, I love the 12 Steps you provided for our enlightenment this am. I am actually a native Texan, and some- times feel more closely related to you Aussie's than I do to some areas of my own country. Something about the dry, rugged terrain and tough characters I guess. A suggestion for Kim. If your current sponsor is unavailable a lot, you cer- tainly might want to consider getting another one. You don't have to lose the first one if she has characteristics that you like and admire. Just get an additional sponsor, who also has stuff you like, good sobriety, time and experience, and can be there for you on a very regular basis. I have lots of friends and contacts in AA, and I have two women who I consider "official" sponsors, who are actually good friends too. This way I always have someone I can get in touch with if I need to. I'm glad I don't golf. I would hate to have to still be out there doing it in November in NH! I know Peg and I know NH, and I am an outdoors person, and I am not surprised that she's still out there. But I like a little more action when the weather cools down. Glad to see you're getting a chance to rest, Bob. Several have mentioned how we alcoholics tend to be workaholics and generally overdo everything, and it's good to remember to schedule in self care, and 1st things 1st. Happy day!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/7/01
Time: 8:18:18 AM

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Good morning all...cloudy, cool, but s'pose to hit mid 50's. Peg and the biddie league decided to bridge instead of golf.. What ever..

Kim... Thru your hurt feelings and all that goes with it, I read some strength in your post. Those visitations will re-occur as long as you stay in the AA frame of mind, and get to meetings. Getting some people to talk to would be excellent. There must be some good listeners you know besides your sponsor. If you drink...you know what will happen. I dont have to tell you.

Keep unloading on us...it all helps..

Deni... I'm glad you opted for the hot bubble bath. Never had one myself, but if it gets rid of a resentment, maybe I will. Good luck with the report...

Ric..Brensonizing a chicken coop? hmmmmm Hope you can find a compatible Tom. Also hope you have a back-up plan incase the coop crashes He He He...

Donna S.....I guess you have your hands full. I read a lot of love in your post, and love can lick anything. Keep up the great work...

Guess I had better look busy, Peg's still here.... Love you all, Jon

(Any bets on Diane and Steve?)

Firstname: Jon
Location: WLeb NH
Date: 11/7/01
Time: 8:24:06 AM

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Hi ..Karen, you sneaked in there while I was posting.. Stick with us, love Jon

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/7/01
Time: 9:11:33 AM

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Good morning FF! Not sure if I will be back her today, lots of things going on!Our daughter is in labor, and we will head on up to Neenah after my treatment this morning, in the hopes we will be there when our grandson is born!

Pretty tired this morning. Worked til mid. last night, and then the phone rang at 6am from Merry. Hopefully, we will get some photos of the baby and momma. (G)

Karen, send the photos! Doesn't matter if they are large. I can edit them when I get them. For some reason, the photo of Paul came through about 6" high, and 2" wide, and he looked like a bean pole! But I set the dimensions properly and it turned out just fine.

I will put both of your email addresses in the planB list, so you should get double doses of us when we post in there!

Gotta go now, and hope you all have a great day.

Love and hugs from the WOF!

Bob

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 11/7/01
Time: 5:04:19 PM

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Just a quick note: Walt and I met Steve and his son at the golf course, in Joplin..a great day,and Steve is just as nice in person as he is online!!! Terific to meet a forum regular f2f!!! 76', sunshine, good company..couldn't ask for a better day!!Thanks again, Steve, for a great day!!

By the way, Paul, us "southerners" play if it over 50', and not snowing!!

Tired, will read todays posts in the morning, lots I want to answer!! See you all later. Love, Diane

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/7/01
Time: 5:19:06 PM

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HI Family,

Diane, Walt, my son Jeremy and I had a foursome on the golf course today and we had a blast. I can't tell ya how nice it was to put my arms around a member of our forum family and hug!!! I got several by the way!! After playing Walt and Diane took us out to eat mexican and had a great visit. Best day I have had in a long time. Thank you Diane for making the trip. A great sober memory for me. We should have gotten some pictures though for the pic site. Darn!! We will just have to do it again.

Today is my mom's birthday and we are going over to her house to spend some time with her. She is 79 today and doesn't get out hardly at all anymore. Just seems content on sitting in the house since my dad died a year and a half ago.

Paul, I wish you could have joined Diane and I. We talked about how much all of you mean to us. It's like we know you all so well and have never even met f2f.

Gotta go, family is waiting on me to go.

Love to all!

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 11/7/01
Time: 6:09:06 PM

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Yes Steve I know where your coming from with the F2F stuff there is nothing like a live sober alki to bring out the best in me.Speaking of meeting live and in living colour my suggestion is that at WORLD CONFERENCES they have an area that online members meet in person so may I invite you all to plan on coming to TORONTO ONTARIO CANADA the first long weekend in JULY 2005 and lets get together.I hope Aly and I meet before that so we can try co-hosting your visit,as I have been to four in a row and they are an unbelievable spiritual experience for me and anyone else I have ever talked with.For my US friends imagine getting $1.60 for any of your dollars you could come up and buy Canada and take most of it home with you.Save $20 a month from now till then and you will have the trip payed for and an experience you will never forget will be just a small part of your trip. By the way you won't need snowshoes at that time of year either.Just a thought I would hope you all would consider,at the last Conference in Minniappolis we had something like 130 countries represented at the flag ceremony its a blast.Keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Jennie
Location: Australia
Date: 11/7/01
Time: 8:11:39 PM

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Hi everyone and welcome Pam C, keep coming back! Steve it is summer here so I have put all my winter woolies away (only had them out for about 2 months!) actually they are still sitting on my bedroom floor...procrastination? I'll get to it. Also I am very jealous of you and Diane-I would love to give each and every one of you guys a hug f2f, you have all had a big part in keeping me (relatively) sane over the time I've been here on the forum. Also very grateful to you all for helping me keep Chopper under control-hard job at times!Such a pity we live so far downunder, maybe one day....Happy 24...Love Jennie

Firstname: Deni
Location: Romeoville, IL
Date: 11/8/01
Time: 1:38:22 AM

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Hi everyone. Deni here. Bob, I hope everything goes well with your daughter and your soon to be new grandson.

Pam, welcome to the family. Thanks for sharing. Come back and tell us more about yourself.

Paul, I like your comment about enjoying being a recovering alcoholic. I agree with you completely. I know I wouldn't be the person I am today had I not gone through the drinking and drugging experience. Not only that but I wouldn't have met all of you either! How have you been feeling lately? I pray for you every day.

Karen, thanks for reminding me about first things first. Sometimes I tend to forget.

Diane and Steve, I'm glad the two of you got the chance to meet. It's too bad we all don't get that opportunity.

Jon, I have to look busy when Harry's around too! Keeps me out of trouble!

Jennie, if I ever get the chance to get to Australia you're the first person I'm going to look up!

I gave that report today. It was about the new sound system that's going to be installed at the village hall. Harry was there to answer any of the technical questions so it worked out okay. Even the mayor was impressed!

It was beautiful outside today. Short sleeves and no jacket. How kewl is that!

I looked back on the archives and found out that I've been here a year now. There's so many folks who left. It's kind of weird.

Time for bed!

Take care and God bless!

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/8/01
Time: 7:31:04 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Just dropped in to see how everyone is doing today.

Bob, congrats on the new Grandson. I bet he looks a little like Grandpa.

I found out last night that my neighbor that I have coffee with every morning has bought another place and will be selling his home here. He said he has always wanted a place on a lake and bought a new house that over looks Table Rock lake, which is the prettiest lake here in the Ozarks. He asked me to ride down this afternoon and see it. It is brand new and sits right on the lake with a deck that goes around 3/4th's of the house. I am really happy for him, but sure will miss him at the same time. He is 77 and is in good health, so this is a chance of a lifetime for him. He hopes to be moved in by Christmas.

Jon, plays a mean game of golf. And Walt is a heck of a player. Diane does not hit it real long, but is right down the middle and is really good when she gets close to the green. It is always difficult when playing a strange course. Next time I will make the trip to play on their course.

I have a couple of cleaning jobs this morning, so need to get everything ready to go.

Love to all!

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/8/01
Time: 7:34:25 AM

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I meant to say that Diane plays a mean game of golf.

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 11/8/01
Time: 8:00:54 AM

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Good morning!! Bob, congratulations on the new grandson, how wonderful you and LuAnn could be there!! Does he have hair, or does he look like you and I? LOL

Jon, a little taste of N.H. weather in the north wind today!! Loved the golf email!!

Well, Lilly, I still haven't tried that non smoking tape....procrastination? Just not ready!! I'm glad you're having some fun--you deserve it!! And yes, I am feeling good!! A complete change of attitude since the surgery...thought I had a pretty good program, but what an improvement: I think I have finally learned to appreciate every day, and pay attention to all the good things in my life. Don't take anything for granted, it can easily be lost!!

Jennie, how lucky you were to have a healthy baby the first time...the alcohol syndrome children have a difficult time. I guess I drank, too, but not like I did in later years. So much we didn't know not too many years ago. Keep the jokes coming!!!

Kim, maybe a different, more available sponsor would help. Someone you can get in touch with easily, and often. Working the 4th step takes a lot of communication with someone who has been there, done that. Keep coming back, we love you!!

Deni, I never thought of the camera!!! CRS again!! But I can remember the day on the golf course with Steve!! And memories last longer that photos!! Did you really say NO? Good for you!!! Sorry about the smoking again, I can't seem to even think about not smoking. We are addictive people, aren't we? You're right, people come and go on this site, just like real life. Maybe the ones on the plan B list who don't post anymore, are at least reading this page, and know that they are all missed.

Chopper, those 12 steps sure describe the way we used to be...I've got a list of promises, done about the same , and I hate to think we didn't realize just how dysfunctional our lives were.

Pam, welcome to our online AA group!! It is amazing how things improve without alcohol in our lives!! Read the promises on page 83 of the Bib Book, and watch as they come true for you, as they have for others!

Karen, glad to see you're on our Plan B email list!! On the photos, your photo program should have a help page, to tell you how to resize pix to a more manageable size....it is nice to see what people look like, almost like meeting them f2f!! And you guys who don't play golf: it's another addiction!!!! Just like the "workaholic" syndrome you mentioned!!

Steve, tell your Mom Happy Birthday for me!! Didn't we have a good time yesterday? Wow!! Good things happen to people who don't drink!! Maybe Sycamore Valley next time? You sure had a good score (81) but my excuse is playing a strange course raises mine!! So good to be out with a good friend!! And your son was fun to play with, too, and glad he had a good time, too!!And if Paul and Bob could have joined us, we would have had a really good group!! Paul, our weather in KS/MO keeps the golf season going a little longer than up north!!

Jennie, one of these years we'll plan a trip to Oz..I would really love to give you a hug!! It's strange how close we have all become...maybe we're more honest, and caring on the printed page...are we all loners, at heart? It just seems so easy to talk to you all. Keep Chopper in line, Jennie, but maybe control the cat? LOL

Well, maybe I am caught up for a few hours!! This was long, but I love you all, and wanted to tell you that!!! Have a sober, peaceful day, and remember to hug a friend!! Love, Diane

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/8/01
Time: 9:07:16 AM

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Good morning FF! I just sent a detailed description of the birthing of my newest grand son to the plan B list. Check yer email for details, and photos!

Paul, I will cetainly hope to get to Toronto in 2005! I missed the last one in MN, but wish I could have made it! Now you started something Paul. A grand hug from and for, all the forum people! Sounds great to me!

Deni, your email keeps bouncing when I send the plan B list out. It says your mailbox is full, and cannot accept any more! Check it out, delete, and get back to me. I will resend my message from today to you, with the photos.. (G)

Everything is going well here today. I go in for a zap in about 45 minutes, then work from 4p to 7p tonight. I got caught up with my sleep last night, and got a full 9 hours. (G)

LueAnn will go to Appleton to help with the homecoming of Ryan over the weekend. She will leave after 4pm tomorrow, and come back Sunday. I will be working 4-mid tomorrow, and day shift on Sunday, so will not be too lonely! (G)

Lots of positive shares here lately! That is great! Without a positive attitude, we have nothing, IMO. (G)

Only 46 and drizzly with wind out there today. If I was a golfer, I would stay home today. (G) Glad you golfers had a great day there! And even after I reminded you several times to bring a camera, no one remembered! Shame on you! But I still love ya. xxx

Have a great day everyone! Lots of love and hugs from grandpa WOF!!!

Bob

Firstname: Lily
Location: W. Pa.
Date: 11/8/01
Time: 12:52:30 PM

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Bob... Congratualations on the new Grandson. I bet he is a winner. My family has the redheads also.!! Must be the British Isle heritage. (G). MY background is English, Irish,Scottish and Mostly Welsh- Alot of redheads from that combination. Although, Now I am completely Silver.. of course being an ex- hair stylist it is conviently bottled "RED". My entire family looks like Santa heads!!! Maybe one day, I will have the courage to be a natural... not quite there yet!! The BAby has a wounderful role model in his grandpa.. from what I have witnessed here on line. May God bless him and your family.

Steve and Diane, I am SOOOOOOO Jealous!!!! How wonderful it must have been to meet in person and to enjoy such a great day doing what you all love. Maybe someday we could all get toghether. A thought!!!

Karen and Pam - WElcome and Keep coming back to this great and receptive site. There are alot of wonderful and warm recoveries here and not only good solid sharing- honesty and love galore!!

Jon, I envy Peg... What a great relaxing life she has for herself. I hope and pray someday I can grasp each moment and do what I love to do. You are very fortunate and blessed to be able to kick back and live life. I am sure you have worked very hard to have the time today, you truly deserve every second. ENJOY! Just watch out for the "Cleaning lady " sneaking up on you (G)!!!

Well, almost time for Jenna to get home from school- then Zane an hour later. He is playing basketball now and she is still practicing for the church musical. And of course my son is the runner going from here to there... school doings and openhouses.. I am so proud of him. His ex.. is all drugged up ( Perscription drugs at this time)- please keep her in your thoughts and prayers. I invited her for Thanksgiving Dinner - for the kids sake and hers. It actually was my sons initial idea - he will not deprieve them from her & visa versa. I feel that is the best way to do what my Higher Power wants from all of us. To give LOVE - no matter what!!! Bitterness and blame are not in our home here.

By the way, my Sponsers Hubby is now the new Mayor of Sharon, Pa. What a funfilled night I had. It was something I could do again. Maybe the next election??? Such excitment!

Have a great "TODAY "

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/8/01
Time: 1:18:05 PM

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Hi all.... Our Server was down for about 24 hrs, and how things did pile up. It was great to read 12 e-mails, and all the posts .

Peg is golfing, only 48 and cloudy, but they feel this is it! Heard that before.

Great pictures, gramps! So glad you all could make it. And thanks for getting Karens stuff in the address book.

I t's late in the afternoon, so cant spend much time here.

Not that I am in a rut, but not checking the computer and forum first thing in the morning has screwed up my whole day!

WhaT a ball Diane and Steve must have had!! I do envy you so.

Paul, 2005 sounds neat... I have never been to one, but 1985, when I first came into the program , seems they had the conference in Montreal. Right? I remember hearing reports about it and saw a lot of photos... Great picture of you in the album. Hope your feeling OK...

Pam C... Welcome to the forum. I tried to welcome you back when you posted, but our server went zap....

Diane... You just sound wonderfull. Dont say your posts are too long, I could spend a day reading your stuff. So glad your problems are about behind you. How is the eye?.. You mentioned you may need the bottom of a coke bottle, but when I take out my contacts, I have to were coke bottles in each. Had cataracts done the old way, with no implants. You maybe able to correct yours with a soft contact. Check it out.

Well buddies, got to go...Will get on schedule tomorrow, I hope.

Love ya, Jon

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 11/8/01
Time: 7:52:46 PM

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The grandfather thing looks good on you Bob and I wish you and yours all the best.Grandchildren are pretty special and I try to be close with mine,but I'v always had a problem with the rotten father I had to be during the drinking years.It appears I'v been beating myself up unecessarily for years as my ex has been going through old photos from when my kids were young and she has remarked how happy everyone looks in most pictures.So I either have a bunch of good actresses or I wasn't as bad as I though so I'm giving myself the benifit of the doubt and am anouncing I wasn't as bad as I blamed myself for all those years.I also noticed I had phone calls from all three of my daughters today and the ex inquiring as to how I made out with the surgeon today(probable two week wait for surgery)So I'm pumped tonight folks,have a great day.Great to hear some may be interested in Toronto 2005. Keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 11/8/01
Time: 8:18:26 PM

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Hi All! We just returned from Saskatoon, where Rose had a lens transplanted, in her eye. It worked well, but we were surprised, since the doctor had said that they would not likely be able to do it for another year. We got a call, last night, and were there for 7:00 AM this morning.

Paul- I read in one of your posts, about the beauty of Southern Ontario, in the fall. I have to admit that the explosion of colour that you get, with all of the different types of trees, has us beat all to heck. I've only seen it a couple of times, but the memories will last forever!

I really like your idea of having an "online friends" group, at the world conference, too. I hope that we will be able to make it, too!

Bob- the photos came through OK, and we both want to pass along our congratulations! He may have more hair than you, but you got Style, man!

Jon- I never thought that by "Brensonizing" the chicken(turkey) coop, that I'd have to have a backup plan. Good idea though! So far, she seems happy, and the dogs aren't bothering her.

Pam- Tansi Tawow! This means "Hi, how are you, Welcome, there is room!" in Cree. I hope to hear more from you, in the future, but feel that you've come to the right place, to help alkies, like me, to stay sober and grow!

Kim- Thanks for sharing! I know how hard it was, for me, to return my son, when I was in the visiting, or weekend father, stages. Keep on doing what you're doing, and the visits will likely get better. Feel free to "dump" your baggage on us! We're here for you!

For all you golfers out there, I don't understand your game, but sure felt good, when I heard that you'd gotten together F2F!

Thanks to all of you, out there in cyberland, for paying this very important 12th Step call, on me! Love Ric

Firstname: chopper
Location: Australia
Date: 11/9/01
Time: 3:08:02 AM

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G,DAY CHOPPER HERE

Welcome PAM C and KAREN T to the forum so good to see more people here in the journey of recovery. Diane yes how right, never forget the 12 promises of recovery but you forgot number 13 'The cat shall not piss on choppers leg when it feels like ha ha ha .

oo-roo and god bless chopper

ps. Hey BOB great news on the little BOB running around.

Firstname: Karen T
Location: Enfield,NH
Date: 11/9/01
Time: 6:42:11 AM

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Morning all! I absolutely love getting on here and seeing "Saskat...CA", "S. Africa", "WI", "Australia"--Chopper, you sound like a lot of fun! (Yeah, right you all say.)Bob, thanks for you help getting me into the groove here, and BIG congratulations on your new little one! What great pics! I am a red-head too, part of that British Isles heritage Lily was referring to, so anyone with red hair is already pretty special in my book. We are in the Nov. greys. More clouds than sun, but no snow yet and the temps have been pretty mild. I think the idea of Toronto in 2005 is a terrific idea. I'm already beginning to feel like I could just go to any local meeting and see any of you there. The weekend is here, and I'm looking forward to seeing my home group and sponsor. I am really, really happy to have found you all here though. I think this feels like it might get "home group" familiar in no time. I agree,Kim use us to spill your feelings and just keep doing the next right thing moment by moment. We'll be here and you will get through.Have a great sober day everyone! Lotsa love, Karen

Firstname:
Location:
Date: 11/9/01
Time: 6:44:35 AM

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Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/9/01
Time: 7:49:08 AM

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Hi all...As Karen said, the grey blahs are here. November is not my favorite month.

Paul...How I relate to your feelings about being a lousy father as the kids grew up. Also, the photo album stuff. I always get a hollow feeling when the kids pull out those old books. But those feelings seem to be mine, as they chuckle, and laugh over them. I relate them to the times I was in a hospital, treatment, or de-tox. I have vivid rememberances of bad scenes over those years when I was cocked. I felt I was a lousy father, but since all my ammends to them has been made, we all love each other and I should let those feelings go. It seems they have, and my grandkids never went thru those years, so , for that I am grateful. I think the kids know I was not a bad father, but a sick one. Thanks to AA!! Paul, I hope the two week wait isn't too rough on you. I am a lousy waiter..but I'll be thinkin' of you, buddie....

Karen.. I dont know if plan B was explained to you, but occasionally the FORUM has problems and we cant get it. When that happens we e-mail our posts to the complete group of addresses we have. Works neat!

Ric...I didnt know Rose had to have an implant in her eye. I'm glad it was successful! Did she have cataracts? They did mine before implants were available, so I have to wear thick contacts. They do work well, but are a nuisance. Poor me... For some reason they say I cant have implants now.

I am glad the hen is happy. Guess your a better Bresonizer that Brenson! Also , (no offence, golfers) but I never could understand it either. Curiosity..are you Cree? I have a native american friend that I use to go to meetings with. Great guy, but very quiet. Unfortunately, Everett went out and I have lost track of him. He was from No. New York state and his father was chief of his tribe. Everett was in his 70's, and remembered his dad as a rum-runner during prohibition. He had some great stories...

Guess enough for now, love you all, Jon

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/9/01
Time: 9:04:31 AM

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Good morning FF! I have about an hour here, before I go for my morning zap. Getting used to it. Sorta like taking a morning walk.. (G)

Lily, good for you about inviting your son's ex for Thanksgiving. That is just great, and the kids shall be shown what love truly is. (G) I got along with both of my ex wives once the shock of divorce had smoothed out. Make a big difference for the kids.

Hmmmm, now that you have been successful in installing a new mayor, when are YOU gonna run? You don't have enough to keep yourself occupied, apparently. ;-)

Jon, old golfers never give up. They seem to stick it out until there is snow on the course. At least, around here! I bet Peg goes out again.. :-)

Paul, you will find that our disease will bring the whole family closer. Even closer than AA has. When everyone realizes the stark reality that people will not live forever, the whole attitude changes. I am amazed at my own family, how caring most of them have been, and how they have come so much closer to me.

I cannot understand why you have to wait for 2 weeks to get started on treatment though! Or is that due to test results take that long? I had one long wait for results from my MRI, and lab tests, so I suppose it is understandable. Not fun though, to wait! I feel much better now that I have started the second session here. At least I am doing something positive!

Ric, the official meaning of Brensonizing, is to build something up from scratch, until it runs perfectly. Then keep putzing with it until you ruin it and have to start over. That is why one needs a backup plan ready to go.. (G)

Karen, you should get some sunny but cold weather soon. It is over WI right now, and I think, heading out to you NH people.. 42, but nice and sunny.

OK everyone, Karen is now in PhotoIsland with her own album. Check it out! I sent that message to the plan B list too, just to make sure everyone knows. Welcome Karen. (G)

Ric, forgot to mention that I am happy that Rose came through that with success! Boy, we are on a roll here. Positive results from the medical profession!

Jon and Paul, sad to say, I do not have any pictures of my past two marriages. They have gone to the kids, other relatives, and God only knows where else. What is even worse, all my personal photos prior to marriage #1 were destroyed by my first wife, along with my USMC stuff, and even my high school annuals. It would be nice to have them, but no way will that even happen. :-(

Enough poor me's this morning! I feel good, am ready for bear, and will work 4-mid tonight. LueAnn will leave in the morning for Appleton and her new grandson rather than tonight, so she will be here when I get home at midnight..

Love you all!

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!

Password: sober

Firstname: Lily
Location: W.Pa.
Date: 11/9/01
Time: 11:00:55 AM

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Bob.... Now that I have finished rolling on the floor with laughter on the Mayor run and nothing more to do with all the spare time I have .... hahahahaha!!!! I may get into alot of things, but public office is not my forte'. that's all I would need, but my Sis is another story. She would be excellant, as a press secretary or something. She taught English at a local H.S. for over 30 years and is always writing to the local newspaper on some issue of interest. Very effective and good, I might say!

By the way .. did you put the new babys' pics in an e-mail??? I didn't seem to get it or I may have accidently deleted it. I checked the photoisland and it is not there.

Hi everyone else, I am taking off for now... got some running to do before I go to work 4-12. This is my last weekend at the restaurant. I have mixed emotions... "This too shall Pass".

Later and love to all of you- "great people."

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/9/01
Time: 12:18:31 PM

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Lily, I did, but just resent them for you. Dunno where they went to before..

I work 4-12 tonight myself. But I am off tomorrow! (G)

Hugs from the WOF!

Bob

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/9/01
Time: 12:39:23 PM

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Hi Family,

Paul, your idea of Toronto 2005 sounds like a lot of fun and a great experience. I too will try to make it. Sounds like a memory for a lifetime.

I just tried to go to the photoisland site and found it is unavailable. I will try again later.

Bob, thanks for explaining the Bresonization process. I thought it involved more power tools and various sized hammers.

I went to the BB study last night and it was a great meeting. We started on the 1st sentence after the AB&C's of How it works. For some reason it was much clearer what the book was saying last night about how we are like actors, trying to change the lighting, the scenery, and making sure everyone is doing their parts. It finally hit me that that is not what the actor is supposed to do. Hehehe!! That is the role of the Director, the God of our understanding. Then the sentence, that we had to quit playing God, it didn't work. I have been practicing this program, attending several thousand meetings and have been sober going on 11 years and I finally got it. I am sure many of you are thinking, geesh, this guy must really be slow. Guilty as charged. Anyway, I am glad I didn't miss that meeting. I love those lightbulb moments!

Lily, I hope you enjoy your last weekend at the resturant. I like Bob's idea! Governor Lily or something like that. Has a good ring to it!

To all of you non golfers. It is quite a simple game. You go outside with good friends to a well manicured cow pasture and hit a small ball as hard as you can and as often as you can into small cans that are planted in the ground. You laugh alot and tell jokes and act like you know exactly how to do it. It is really quite simple! You also have to have a wide knowledge of 4 letter words like "FORE". When you really get good you can use 2-4 letter words together like "Nice putt" and "Damn Wind". I seem to "Hitt it Phat" alot, which has no bearing on the "Damn Wind" at all. Occasionally I hear someone say "Nice Shot" and that makes me want to keep playing. See, nothing to it!

My oldest son is moving out this weekend. He and his girlfriend have rented a place together. I am going to look at their duplex in a couple of minutes and need to get ready. Will be back later.

Love to all!

Firstname: Jon
Location: WLebNH
Date: 11/9/01
Time: 1:19:38 PM

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Steve....I use to play with a guy who thought I had to end each swing with "ah sht" for balance....Jon

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 11/9/01
Time: 2:45:07 PM

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Lily, I had to laugh at your hair description!! I wasn't sure what color mine was....but as a good friend told me, it's growing in platinum blonde!!! Now I can act the dumb blonde!! Another few months before I can get back to my "natural" shade, auburn.(read red/brown) Congrats to the new Maayor!! Maybe you'll run someday!! Good for you for inviting your son's x to Thanksgiving.

Jon, the eye is still blurry, for distance, but can read again, thank goodness. because without books my life would really suffer!! I talked to my brother, who is in Groton, VT for the winter---he is already having second thoughts about staying North. He says even his S.C. dogs are complaining about the cold!! Tell Peg to enjoy the golf while she can----it's 70' again here today!! Guess what we did? LOL And out again tomorrow, just not too early!!And remember, November is Thanksgiving!! I am grateful this year that my oldest son, his lady friend, and her teenage son will be coming up from TX for the holiday!! Jon, I'll have to try that "oh sht" for balance, sounds like a good idea!!

Paul, I'm glad you heard from your family. Perhaps we remember things differently, as I know my children don't seem to be stuck with all bad memories. Two weeks is a long time to wait for your surgery...will there be anyone who can keep in touch with us while you are in the hospital? My prayers are with you!

Ric, a lot of us golfers don't understand the game, either!! LOL I so enjoy your posts!! Is Rose's vision improved? Isn't it amazing what Dr.'s can do for us these days? I have several American Indian friends in the program, but I can't remember what Tribe. I'll ask the next time I see them.

Karen, you'll find people just like us f2f, in any AA meeting, and it's neat that Bob set up Photoisland so we can see each other!! And all our pets, family, hobbies, etc.!! Nice to have you online!!

Bob, sounds like you're an old hand at this treatment stuff!! And working , too!!I love your description of "Brensonizing"!! On your lost photos...you still have the memories, and they will last forever. The new baby photos were cute!! And you were, too. A nice one of LuAnn, too!! And the new parents!! What a busy time for them!

Steve, you were describing our game on Wed., weren't you? We did laugh a lot.....that's better than crying! LOL Interesting, about how after years of AA, something finally makes sense! I've had that experience, too. And I have learned recently a little more about acceptance!! And gratitude!!Tell Jeremy "good luck" for me on his major move!!!At our noon meeting yesterday, for lack of a topic, I started the discussion on change.....and we agreed that we all hated it!! And the fact that we had to change ourselves, that our friends and family weren't going to change to suit us!! Only a dozen of us, a good size grouP.

Jennie, is that darn cat still bothering Chopper? I'd close the door, and keep the darn thing outside!! Of course, my cats are well behaved!! Right!! In my dreams!!

Deni, I've had email come back, too, probably your mail box is full. You're right, about being the person we are today....alcoholics seem to have to do what they have to do, to get to where they want to be sober. We can't change things that have happened, but we can change, today, how we act and react. What an education this program is. I have often thought that "regular" people could improve their lives by following the steps we do. even without an addiction to alcohol.

Have a sober, serene weekend, everyone!! Love, Diane.

Firstname: Deni
Location: Romeoville, IL
Date: 11/10/01
Time: 1:02:15 AM

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Hi everyone. Deni here. Diane, you're so right about memories staying with us forever. Unless of course you're like me and the memory's going!

Steve, sorry to hear about your friend moving. Even at our age it's tough to see a friend leave.

Bob, I got the pics of your grandson. Congrats! He's adorable. The old fart holding him is pretty cute too!!

Karen, I'm glad you found us too!

I checked some of my email. There's so much I didn't get to it all. Maybe there's a little room on there now.

Tonight was our dress rehearsal for the pageant. It went well. I only tripped down the steps once!! After talking to one of the contestants tonight, I realized again how blessed I am. She is 15 years old. She lost her mother to breast cancer a couple of years ago. After the death her father started hitting the bottle. I guess he couldn't bear to be without his wife. Anyway, he couldn't take care of the girl and she is going to be adopted by her aunt and uncle. What a terrible thing for a kid to go through. Makes me look at my life and thank God for all the good people I know and love, especially my family and all of you. The show is tomorrow. My job is to run the backstage. I could use another props person. Anyone interested??!? The plus side is, I don't have to sing. With starting smoking again I'm sure I would sound like crap!

Is anybody else getting that nasty cold that is going around or is it just in my neck of the woods? My loving husband decided to share it with me. How sweet is he??

Well, I gotta get some sleep. We still have to finish the sets in the morning.

Take care and God bless!

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 11/10/01
Time: 7:08:33 AM

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Steve have no fear as I'v been around for over thirty years and yet on occasion I will hear something for the umptenth time that finally turns the light on.This is one of the reasons that people that attend meetings tend to stay sober and people that don't attend seem to get drunk.There are hundreds of little tips I'v received over the years that give me sobriety and all I had to do was be in the right place at the right time.I keep remembering PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION and that allows me to learn a little more each day and be greatful for another day.

Diane I'm going to check to see if I would be allowed to bring my laptop to the hospital with me.I know I can rent a TV and a phone but don't know if I can bring in the computer.I hope so as I expect to be in hospital nearly two weeks so it would take me a long time to get caught up after that much time.I had been offline for three to five days when moving from north to south and I know it took quite awhile to get back on track even after that short a time. Keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/10/01
Time: 7:19:36 AM

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Good morning all.... Cloudy and cold.... So what else is new?..

Have to just check in and let you know I woke up this morning... I'm off to get my flu shot. Senior day! ( Isnt it great to wake up and not come to?)

See ya'll when I get baclk, love Jon

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/10/01
Time: 8:36:41 AM

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Hi again.. Boy that was quick. No line, easy parking, and pretty nurse.

Paul.. I hope you can have a laptop. I know they allow them here. I guess it all depends what kind of telephone jack they have. Why dont you give them a call? Boy it sure would make the time pass!! And we would love to follow your progress!

I know what you mean about having a phrase in the step or regular meeting jump out and hit one between the eyes. It is still happening to me. I think one explanation is that as time at meetings passes, over the years, little by little my brain cells get more efficient. I dont get more cells, just more efficient. Concentration was one hell of a problem those early years. Also I had a real closed mind. Nothing could change my mind about a subject once I believed it., even if I knew it was wrong. I guess that also falls under "humility". If I read a paragraph, and it was the way " I " thought, it was a good paragraph. If it was against my thought it was lousy!. Learning to be "teachable" was tough for me. Maybe that is why it took so many years to get serious about the program.

Deni...How can you let your e-mail pile up like that. There could be a treasure in there. I guess , with all you do, it is easy to wait til tomorrow.

I would love to help you prop, but afraid I couldn't make it tonight. I'm sure you could sing beautifully...Look how famous Louie Armstrong was. Hope you get over the cold...maybe your tired...

Well enough for now, See ya'll later Love, Jon

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/10/01
Time: 8:54:56 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Jon, I am glad to hear the flu shot went smooth. And a pretty nurse to boot!!

It is a beautiful fall morning here in the Ozarks. 53 right now and calling for upper 60's. Lots of sunshine too!

Paul, I think that would be great if they will let you take your computer in the hospital with ya. I am sure you will also have several local AA friends make sure ya don't get bored. Along with them and us, time ought to go by pretty quickly.

Went to a new coffee shop this morning and met a friend. I had a couple of Choc. Macadamia Nut Latte's. M-M-Good. Plus I am wide awake!

Bob, you guys still going to yard sales? Our paper is full of em' this morning. I didn't go to any today, cause I don't know where I would put anything else. I have the garage full and all the places in the house are stuffed.

Deni, I hope the production goes well. I don't do props well, but will be thinkin about ya today. Knockem' dead.

Lily, I hope ya are enjoying your last weekend of waitressing. Sounds like you really enjoyed it and I bet you are damn good at it too!

Diane, so you and Walt played golf again yesterday. Can you see the surprised look on my face? Heehee! I have the feeling winter will be here pretty quick, so play all ya can. I think it is great that you guys enjoy something together so much. My wife and I don't have anything like that. Do you do the daily trivia on the WeatherBug? I do, and I suck.

Well, I hope everyone is having a great sober weekend. Will be back later!

Love to all!

Firstname: Paula
Location: Ohio
Date: 11/10/01
Time: 10:29:50 AM

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Hi everyone - Paula hre.

Just watned to check in a let you know I'm still around. Just really busy with school. Start my new job next week. Kind of nervous about that.

Congratulations on the new addition Bob. The pictures are terrific!

I'm reading all of you every day, just don't have time to post. Got to run. Hugs to all of you.

Love Paula

Firstname: Nancy
Location: NH
Date: 11/10/01
Time: 2:21:12 PM

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Hi family,

Bob, congratulations on the new grandson! Pictures of you all are super! Well, I didn't start from scratch with the computer but I sure putzed around with it to the point where it is slow as molasses and full of little annoyances. Suppose I shall break down and have someone come in and get me back on track.

Had a major annoyance this afternoon!!! Got a call from my credit card fraud department and someone has been using my card and racked up a hefty balance. Am glad they caught it, but don't know how someone else got my number as my credit card is sitting right here in front of me. But, hey, the good news is that I'm not drinking over it! In the past the bottle would have been the first thing I headed for.

Jon, sorry to hear about your friend who went back out. Scary, isn't it? Heard yesterday of another fellow with 18 years in AA who started drinking again - said he had no reason, just felt like it.

Ric, hope all is well with Rose. Please give her my best wishes.

Two weeks, Paul! Am glad your family is rallying around you. Toronto sounds like a wonderful plan, something to look forward to! Jon and Karen, maybe we could travel out together.

Love to all, Nancy, alcoholic

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 11/10/01
Time: 3:08:57 PM

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Deni, it's called CRS syndrome!! Can't Remember S***!!!Guess your email box got emptied...it's going through, now. It's good that the girls had relatives who could help...How long had you been off cigarettes? I still haven't made a sincere effort to quit. No colds out here, we're still having Indian Summer!! Another day of sunshine, 75', and golf!!

Steve, your friend is very brave...quite a change at the age he is. Does he fish? That's the only reason I can imagine for moving to a lake!!

Paul, I hope you will be able to get connected while you're in the hospital..if you have a local dial up service, it should work, with a private line to your room. I would be lost without the web!! Although after I came home from my hospital trip, I was too tired to even type, or sit at the pc for 5 minutes!! Just slept a lot!! You're in my prayers!And it's nice to know we are all teachable, no matter how many or how few years in the program.

A pretty nurse, huh Jon? That makes the medicine go down easier!! I have never had a flu shot, guess I should think about it.....

Steve, and we played again today!!! Couldn't not play, it's so warm, and met an other couple from the local group on the first tee....good round, back to 85. ( I do believe our course is easier!!!) Haven't tried the weather bug web site lately. Will check it out.

Hi, Paula!!Good luck with the new job!!

Nancy, what a mess with the credit card. Do you use in online? Scary that someone had your number. And glad you didn't have to drink over it!! That would have really made a bad drunk, not too many years ago!!

Quiet here this weekend...Hey, Jennie, that was a GOOD joke!!! And I am sure that Chopper was in there somewhere!!!

Read you all tomorrow!! Hopefully......'cause .my new ISP is s...l...o...w.... and I get impatient!!LOL Love, Diane

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 11/10/01
Time: 4:32:30 PM

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Hi All!

I just have a moment, so I'll keep it short.

It's great to read all of the positive and inspiring posts!

Thank all of you, for your concern about Rose's eye surgery. I'm only worried that, after she has the other transplant, in her left eye, she's gonna figure out just what I look like.

If that's my biggest worry, though, I've got it made!

This week has had numerous Blessings for us, and we have had many opportunities to Thank the God of our Understanding, for them!

Some of you have asked if we are Aboriginal. Yes we are "Metis", which means that we are mixed blood, and our language reflects that, since it is a combination of French, English and Cree.

Gotta Go, pizza's ready!

Thank you all for being there for me! Love Ric

Firstname: Deni
Location: Romeoville, IL
Date: 11/11/01
Time: 12:59:34 AM

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Hi everyone. Deni here. Paul, I sure hope you can get your laptop hooked up while your in the hospital. I would miss you if you couldn't post. It's great that you have family and friends around you at a time like this.

Jon, my problem is I read the email and just never delete anything. Maybe you could do props for me next year!!

Nancy, you're not going to have to pay the bill for whatever someone else charged are you? I hope not. Glad you didn't drink over it. You're a strong lady!

Diane, I definately have CRS!! I think I get it from the hubby and kids!! I quit smoking in May and went back last week. I'm going to try and quit again soon.

Steve, you don't have to do props. You could sing or tap dance!! Whatever you're little heart desires!

Ric, I will keep Rose in my prayers.

Paula, always great to see your posts!

The pageant went very well. For the first time in several years I guessed the winner. We had a great crowd and it was a lot of fun. I must admit, I'm glad it's over.

It's been warm here too. I didn't have to put on a jacket until the sun went down.

By the time you read this it will be Veteran's Day. I just wanted to say thank you to all the veterans out there. Without you we wouldn't have the wonderful lives we have We're going to have a service at our Veteran's memorial in the morning. I'm very grateful I was able to help in the planning. It's the very least I can do.

Have a safe and sober 24!

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/11/01
Time: 6:24:33 AM

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Good morning, and happy veterans day. Actually I guess it is celebrated tomorrow so those who have a day off can get a long weekend.

Ric.. I mis-led you some time back... I called it Armistice Day. That's what they called it when I was a kid. Now that WWII, Korea, Vietnam have passed, it was changed from WWI armistice, to all Veterans day. Guess I slipped back a few years.

Deni.. Glad the pageant went well. What will you do now? Busy busy...I want to tap dance and sing with Steve!

We have our BB meeting this morning, so I will cut this short for now.. So grateful I woke up sober this morning.... Love all , Jon

Firstname: Ric R
Location: Green Lake, Saskatchewan, Canada
Date: 11/11/01
Time: 7:31:00 AM

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Hi All!

As we lay our wreath today, for Remembrance Day, we will be praying for those who served, and for those currently serving.

Many are the sacrifices that are made, to ensure our Freedom!

Love Ric

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/11/01
Time: 7:50:49 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Slept in til after 8 this morning. Sure felt good. Kind of cool in the house, forgot to turn the heat on before going to bed. Got down to 40 last night. I'm also waiting for the coffee maker to finish.

Deni, Jon and I will gladly do a little tap and sing number for ya. Will you pick out the wardrobe??

Like was said above, Happy Veterans Day. I know I don't give enough gratitude to our veterans. They gave alot for all of us.

Diane, looks like another beautiful day for golf. Are you and Walt going?

Nancy, you won't be responsible for the fraud charges on the credit cards will you? I sure hope not. How have you been feeling?

My sponsor told me last night he is having surgery on the arteries in his legs next friday. I never knew he was having a problem.

Today is my wife Joanie's birthday. My mom's was the 7th, so we are all going over there and my brother and I will fix them a nice meal. She turned 49 today and I am 48. It is going to be weird going to bed tonight. I have never slept with a 49 year old woman before. Hehehe!

Jon, enjoy your BB meeting this morning.

Paula, how is your busy life going? Your last post was a little shorter than usual. Are you doing Ok?

Deni, how big is Romeoville? It sounds like they sure have alot of stuff going on.

Bob, how is that new grandson and mother getting along?

Gotta go. Will read ya later!

Love to all!

Firstname: Nancy
Location: NH
Date: 11/11/01
Time: 1:43:27 PM

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Hi family,

Grateful thanks to all you veterans out there and to those who are serving now. God bless you all and keep you safe.

The credit card company tells me I am not responsible for the charges racked up by this unknown person, but I will rest easier when I've gone through a couple of billing cycles and see that it is really so. Meanwhile I guess they will be sending me some forms to fill out.

Steve, I'm feeling alright physically. Just have a low energy level - partly because it's cold and cloudy November, and partly because I work full-time and have a house and yard which I keep up by myself. But am glad I can do it - my Dad always let me help him around the house when doing handyman stuff and I enjoy it and it gives me a feeling of accomplishment, plus saves money not hiring someone.

Just bought a Mozart for Meditation CD. Think I'll go and listen to it now. Could use that peaceful feeling!

Love to all, Nancy, alcoholic

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/11/01
Time: 4:15:24 PM

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Good evening everyone! My, I have been away for 2 days here, and so many good shares, there is no way I can comment on them all! So, just a quick update from Packer country. (G)

LueAnn is still not back from visiting her daughter and grandson, and I am getting lonely! She will be home in a couple hours, hopefully!

The open meeting last night was a total bust. The speaker could not make it, and that is good, because only one lady showed up, and all she wanted was her court slip signed. I did that for her. Then at 8pm, we had the RCA meeting, and it was pretty good. One new couple showed up, and look like they will be back. Two other regular couples showed, and me. It was a step 3 discussion, and I got quite a bit out of that.

I worked day shift today. I don't like it at all! I have just turned into a night person, I guess! But, I was able to watch the Packers beat the Bears, and we were not real busy, so got to see most of the game. It was a good un!

I am beat though, and will get into my comfy sweats once I send this off. All next week, gotta get up for the radiation, but do not have to be there til 11AM so that isn't too bad. Tomorrow I have the 9AM Positive Attitude meeting to tend to though. Then, tomorrow and Tue. I work 4p-mid. I suppose I will get used to it before long, but feel pretty beat right now.

Watching the Vikings get whupped by the Eagles. Looks like a route. 10 to 38 in the 3rd quarter. I dunno how the Vikings can keep beating the Packers in their dome all the time! Packers are tied with the Bears now, with a 7 and 1 season, I think. Doing good!

Nancy, when I was getting exhausted just by being up the last few months, it was horrible. Now, when I am exhausted, it is because I did work pretty hard, or stayed up a long time. I find it is nice to be tired, if I have a logical reason for it rather than just the effects of the treatment!

LueAnn just called. She left early, and is almost home, so gotta get her coffee going! Catch ya all tomorrow!

Love and hugs from the WOF

Bob

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/11/01
Time: 7:24:10 PM

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Hi Family,

Bob, maybe Deni can use you as a tap dancer with Jon and I. Sorry to hear the meeting was a flop. I wish I lived closer to ya, I would round up my AA buddies and give ya a host of speakers and listeners. Glad ya survived Louann being gone. I would look forward to the quiet time, but would miss my wife very quickly. It's good to have a soul mate.

Nancy, I hope the Mozart did the trick. I like to listen to some of that stuff at times, other times Blues, Rock, Jazz. I like all kinds, even some Big Band every once in a while.

I did not go to a meeting today. Cooked shrimp, baked potatoes and other stuff for birthday dinner for Joanie and my mom. Then spent the rest of the afternoon helping my son and his girlfriend move into their duplex. Finally got finished and thought I would check my forum friends. I spent the morning listing some records for sale on eBay. No bidders yet, but auctions are still young.

Bob, you Packers are doing good again this year. Our Rams are doing good also. Jon, are you a Pats fan? Buffalo? I know, I bet your a Jets fan.

It was a beautiful day here. 71 and hardly no wind with lots of sunshine.

I bet Diane was playing golf again today.

Gotta go kick back and relax. I think I will have a cup of hot chocolate, shower and hit the pillow.

Love to all!

Firstname: jennie
Location: Australia
Date: 11/12/01
Time: 3:54:07 AM

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Hi everyone, Ric, are you originally from Australia as I have heard you mention Aboriginal? Bob, hows your new grandson? You are sounding really high in spirits, I love it, keep it up! Diane, yes I thought it was pretty funny that joke, just about sums everything up. I am golf illiterate so I have no idea why it sounds like fun to you guys, chasing a small white ball around with a long stick? maybe I should give it a go then I would probably understand what you all are talking about, he he! Steve, I cleaned my blinds myself and they have turned out pretty good even if I do say so myself. Thanks for your helpful info. Weather is heating up. 31c today with high winds. Bob, I'm not complaining though! Seems like we are in for a hot one this summer. Saturday night my oldest came home from "partying" about 4.00am and woke everyone up by trying to be quiet...wasnt feeling too good in the morning. God I don't miss that terrible sick feeling. I have spoken to him about drinking but at 18 (age for legal drinking in Oz) he has only just started. We have a rule that he doesnt have any alcohol in the house and he totally understands. Some people (like my sponsor) doesn't mind having it in the house, but for me I feel more comfortable if its not, my opinion only. Well better go, hope everyone has a happy and sober 24 hours! Love Jennie

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/12/01
Time: 6:38:56 AM

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Good Morning Family,

Jennie, I was trying to figure out which guy was Chopper in the joke. Hhhmmm! Now let me see! Hehehe! I am with you on having alcohol in the house. I have no need for it today, so why have it around or allow it in the house. I am fortunate, so far my kids do not drink or drug. They saw what it did to me, as they got the brunt of the abuse. Thank God I don't have to live that way today. I used to have a sponsor that would sit around and drink a couple of Near Beers. I got another sponsor!

Gotta get some paint for the bedroom my son was living in. Stacy is moving into that one. Joanie is home sick today, stomach feeling queesy. I will try to surprise Stacy and have her room done by the time she gets home from school.

Bob, I hope you have a good positive attitude meeting this morning. Thinking about ya!

Love to all!

Firstname: Donna
Location: Iowa
Date: 11/12/01
Time: 6:48:18 AM

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Helly long lost friends,

I have been pretty busy screwing up my life some more...couldnt imagine that but I was never one to give up even when I should.

I do apologize for some postings in the past...I think the more I look at it now them more frustrating it must of been for you that I didnt seem to be really getting it! And thought that with proper diet and excercise I could really kick this thing on my own.

I now realize that you were right all along and will be going to a meeting today...tomorrow...and every God bless it day I am given in the future.

I have wasted a lot of time, energy and money on this illness but to think I dont have time to put into recovery is just stupid.

I could feel the tears swell up in my eyes when I went to the photo album to see the new faces...I am getting pretty mushy right now just thinking about how kind it has been of you to share your pain with all of us in an effort to heal us...as well as yourselves.

Yes I see a meeting now as my only prayer to the beginning of the end of this nightmare.

I cant imagine where my life will go from here but it certainly could not get any more screwed up.

I love you all...Deni, Steve, Ric, Paul, Bob, Jodi, Lily, Chopper, Jennie...just to name off the top of my head...

PS Lorrie...I had a letter all ready to send you in treatment but didnt get around to getting it out to you..I am sorry...lack of follow through is one of my major things to overcome.

I will post again later today.

Firstname: Jon I
Location: W Lebanon NH
Date: 11/12/01
Time: 7:19:13 AM

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Good morning all...Cold and sunny here. Had snow up north, just enough to keep the cops busy with sliding accidents. People seem to forget that bridges freeze first!

Steve...Pat's fan all the way. Since their regular quarterback got hurt, they have been doing pretty well. They licked the Bills yesterday. I think they are 5 and 4 now. You must be jesting! Jets? he he he .

Bob.. Your sounding like your old self again, and that is great. I hope your schedule isn't too rugged, but so far you sound like your perky self. You have given me a lot of strength to fall back on if I ever get the news of serious sickness. You, Diane, Paul and all who have had problems. For that I am most grateful and will put it in the bank!!

Jennie, I am so sorry you are in for a hot summer. Geeez, How quickly I forget! I am with you about golf...When I get to Oz, we'll go out and make up our own rules, and let Chopper caddy!

Donna... So great to hear from you. I sure missed you. There is another Donna on here, so got to be careful not to mix you up. Or have I already?

Anyhow, it took me a long time to learn that people in the program were right. This is the only way to go....

Just went up and spent 75$ for Willie's laxatives. That's a lot of shit!

On that , see ya later, Love all Jon

Firstname: paul v
Location: ssm ont
Date: 11/12/01
Time: 7:35:32 AM

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Donna try not to beat yourself up for being stubborn and doing things your way remember we have all tried everything else before settling down to what works for us and thats AA.We do not have the only answer for but in my opinion we have the easiest and best for the most people and over two million recovered alcoholics will tell you also that AA was the last resort and was the only thing that worked for them.Its so simple just don't drink,read AA literature,attend AA meetings,follow the 12 steps to the best of your ability and treat others as you would like to be treated and you will be amazed in a few months just how great life without alcohol can be.We are not all a bunch of little angels looking for new blood we are just people that have been relieved of the compulsion to drink and would love to be able to pass this along to every problem drinker.You will note that I have said its a simple program yet it requires a lot of hard work in the early stages as we have so many parts of our life to change.Just by doing the best we can on a daily basis over time allows us learn the simplicity of living a new and very rewarding life.Good luck keep coming back someone cares.;-)

Firstname: Steve/Alcoholic
Location: Joplin, Mo.
Date: 11/12/01
Time: 7:39:36 AM

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Hi Donna, welcome back! Like the book says, some of us have to pretty badly mangled before we become willing to do what this program suggests. Glad to hear your decision to attend daily meetings. Don't let your disease talk ya out of going. It will kill ya if ya listen to it. Keep coming back until the miracle happens. Like Paul says, We care!

Jon, I figured asking if you were a Jets fan would ruffle a few feathers. Kind of feels good to get the old blood to boiling every once in a while, doesn't it? Sorry to hear about the crappy bill from the vet. Does Willie like prunes?

There are too many of you that are not posting. If you are reading, please post and let us know you are alright.

Love to all!

Firstname: Donna
Location: Iowa
Date: 11/12/01
Time: 8:45:31 AM

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Helly long lost friends,

I have been pretty busy screwing up my life some more...couldnt imagine that but I was never one to give up even when I should.

I now realize that you were right all along and will be going to a meeting today...tomorrow...and every God bless it day I am given in the future.

I have wasted a lot of time, energy and money on this illness but to think I dont have time to put into recovery is just stupid.

Yes I see a meeting now as my only prayer to the beginning of the end of this nightmare.

I cant imagine where my life will go from here but it certainly could not get any more screwed up.

I love you all...Deni, Steve, Ric, Paul, Bob, Jodi, Lily, Chopper, Jennie...just to name off the top of my head...

PS Lorrie...I had a letter all ready to send you in treatment but didnt get around to getting it out to you..I am sorry...lack of follow through is one of my major things to overcome.

I will post again later today.

Firstname: Diane H.
Location: Kansas
Date: 11/12/01
Time: 9:28:50 AM

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Nancy, hope your credit card problem gets fixed!! Your music sounds like a good idea, but I am more apt to put in my Willy Nelson CD's!!

Jennie, I don't keep any alcohol in the house, either, but I have told my children when they come to visit they are welcome to bring their own, just be sure to take any leftovers with them when they leave. Making Hard Sauce to go with mince pie for Thanksgiving, and had to buy Rum and Brandy flavoring!!! A special request from my oldest son....I don't think it will taste the same.

Donna, meetings are the best way to get, and stay sober. If you have to learn the hard way, well, that's ok too. Welcome back.

Hope LuAnn is home, Bob, could tell you really missed her!! How's the new baby doing? You seem to be doing great!!!

No golf yesterday, Steve, despite the lovely day. We had early afternoon meetings, a group conscience AA meeting, and a meeting of the Alano Club, which manages our building. A lot of wasted time..typical alcoholics and alanons arguing back and forth. My last year on the board of directors, so won't re-up next year. Small town politics in action!!

A little rain today, cool, but NO SNOW in sight!!

Have a good Monday everyone. Remember the Vererans today!!

Love from Diane

Firstname: Bob
Location: WI
Date: 11/12/01
Time: 11:52:35 AM

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Good morning all you fine people! Had a very good Positive Attitude meeting this morning. The topic swung to talking about our partners, and what problems with them we are working on, etc. I shared that I have no particular problem with my wife, other than her compulsion to get me well. (G)

Then I had my radiation treatment for the day, and back home until I leave for work at 3:30pm.

Steve, I somehow cannot picture you, Jon, and me doing any kind of a dance. Tap, or otherwise! Now, if we would dress up as the 3 stooges, maybe we could put on a good show. (G)

Yep, Packers are doing well. But it all seems to hinge on Favre. If he is doing good, so does the team. If he is off, so is the team!

Yep Jennie, I am feeling pretty good! The more I work, the better I feel. Being able to live a semi-normal life is a good aid to recovery from cancer as well as alcohol...

I hope you can guide your son to a sober life Jennie. Not easy to do if they have the desire to party, and drink. :-( But hang tough on the issue of booze in the house. That will help, if you really show him you are in charge of that domain!

I imagine you are painting right now Steve. I hate painting! Actually, the painting isn't too bad, it's the preparation that gets to me. Move all the furniture out, wash the walls first, etc. We have to do the whole inside of this house once the landlord gets the ductwork cleaned out. Residual soot, and it just keeps things covered even when you cannot notice it. But, clean a spot on anything, and you can see that there is a LOT of soot in this house. :-(

Donna! I am so glad to see you back! And with a good positive attitude to boot! Now, you gotta stick with it dear! As you can see, your album is still in place on PhotoIsland. Waiting for some new pictures.. (G)

Speaking of that, I added a new photo in Smitty's album that he sent the other day. Check it out!

Jon, the first snow of the year is always a mess with people sliding off the road all over the place. You would think that living here, everyone would know that you CANNOT steer or slow down as well as on dry pavement. I have seen a very large increase in accidents with SUVs. So many people think that just because they have a 4 wheel drive vehicle, they can drive faster than others, and they get a rude awakening very often. (G) I am hoping that the first snow comes when I am not working!

Jon, I am starting to think that maybe I should have started work a couple months ago, and then maybe the side affects would not have been so great from the treatments! I think I was the victim of our failure to live for today, and not worry about tomorrow! I am getting back on track again though. (G)

Jon, I think the veterinarians make as much money as people doctors. They really nail ya for pet treatments and meds. :-( We have to bring in all our cats for annual shots, and so far have taken one in. One at a time is the only way to go.

Paul, excellent explanation of the workings of AA! Donna, re-read that. It will help. Fer sure!

Steve, I agree about not seeing people sharing here lately! At least we got Donna back! (G)

Diane, yep, I am doing pretty well now! I feel like I am on the road to remission here. (G) And even if I can't get rid of it all, I will just put up with what I have. As long as I do not feel any worse than I do now, I can do that. (G) LueAnn got home just fine. She is having some back problems and may get to the chiropractor today or tomorrow, but otherwise, she is OK. Keeps picking on me to eat more.. (G)

And the new baby is doing fine, as are his mom and dad. They are happy to be at home, and learning to live as a family now. It is kewl to see this evolve.

Diane, I see a lot of bickering and politics going on with the management of our alano club, and just do not want to get involved in that! I have been approached to run for president next elections, but I declined to even think about it! So, I try not to bitch about what is done with the club, as I chose not to be part of it and have no right to bitch if I am not doing all I can to change what needs changing.. Hope I explained that OK! (G)

I tried to log into the forum from work yesterday, but all it did was lock up the computer once I got here! So, I may not be able to do that anymore. Will see, if it is a quiet night this week, I will try it again.

Sunny here, and a bit warmer than yesterday. We have 58 out there now, and tomorrow it is supposed to get into the 60's! Every day like this, makes the winter one day shorter. I love it!

Take care everyone! Love you all!

Bob

Hugs from the WOF!